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Stressed Cheese
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I agree that it's silly to call Pink Floyd, one of the most popular bands in the history of music, underrated. But one thing to consider is that Pink Floyd is know by almost everyone for their radio-friendly output, e.g., those couple singles from The Wall, the title track on WYWH, Money, etc. There's probably many people who don't know much Floyd beyond this, and I certainly get the impression that, despite being an album in their most popular era, Animals isn't that well known among the average non-fan, unlike the other albums from 1973-1979. I've had people react surprised when I put on some more unknown Floyd ("really? that's Pink Floyd?"). Also, you could definitely call their 60's output underrated, IMO. I mean, I still wouldn't call Floyd underrated obviously.
Well, they're one of the most popular bands ever...what do you expect? You could say the same about Beatles fans.
Yeah, exactly. They're a more acquired taste, and as such, you're going to have more people who just can't stand them. You probably won't find as many people who absolutely can't stand Genesis, Floyd or Renaissance or what have you. Some artists when people don't like them they just feel ambivalent or bored, and some it's more of an active dislike. Like, I'm a huge Zappa fan, but I'm not going to pretend there's probably a lot of people who won't be able to stand the majority of his stuff. Some artists are just like that.
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They're all overrated, but not by me. So, who did it? Edited by suitkees - May 04 2023 at 16:26 |
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Oh, well, I agree (with the exception of King Crimson - Pink Floyd? Hmmm).
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'Yobbish' is a new one on me. Lyrically ELP can be dismissed mostly yet Trilogy is actually a prety stand up album in that dept. Lake was good with semi religious themes and showed that on Endless Enigma well enough. However ELP knew they were basically a festival band and the main attraction. BSS is my favourite album and for many years I had no comprehension of the connection to the sexual act that it referenced. It just sounded cool. Apparently the record company had to remove the shaft of light on the album cover that Giger and ELP had wanted to be left in! I think my main point is that the theatrics detracted from just how good their music was and that seems to have left a hole somehow. I dream that in a hundred years ELP's early music will be regarded in the same way as classical music is. That is actually what Emerson really wanted. Btw In The Hot Seat is abominable, ELP were totally 'gone' by that point.
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Jethro Tull should not be on this list. I love ELP and I am not
surprised that some don't enjoy their bombastic style. I would put VDGG
instead of JT. I don't care much about whether some bands are overrated.
I am sticking with my Big 6 until the end. So JT is my choice for this
poll.
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For me , King Crimson and Yes are the most over-rated. Far too much of their music sounds to me to be clever for the sake of cleverness, rather than having artistic merit.
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For me, I believe the most overrated of the six is Jethro Tull. I have no hate towards them at all ('Thick As A Brick' is one of my favorite albums of all time), it's just that I think they didn't influence prog as a whole better than any of the other five.
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"Big" here just refers to popularity so JT fits the criteria, like it or not.
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These kinds of misunderstandings always occur any time anyone brings up the big six anywhere online. Lots of people seem to read it as an explicit endorsement on the part of the OP. It's frustrating, because for all its flaws, the big six is a genuinely useful concept when examining the commercial and cultural impact of first wave UK prog, but any time it comes up someone is guaranteed to start suggesting bands that "ought" to be included, thus completely missing the point of the concept.
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It's a really good point, based on ELP's size and popularity in the 70's they are an absolute lock for a Big 6. But when it comes to overrated you are talking about how you personally feel about their music compared to the general population. In this case specifically the PA membership.
I absolutely accept ELP as a member of the Big 6 I just don't personally rate their albums as highly as others in comparison to how highly I rate the other 5 of the Big 6. Therefore the most overrated of the Big 6 for me personally.
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I did a quick check of my personal album rankings of the top 4 albums by each of the Big 6 and how they compared to the general PA ratings.
Here are the average number of stars higher or lower that the average my ratings are:- Yes -0.11 Genesis -0.71 King Crimson +0.19 Jethro Tull -0.15 ELP -0.95 Pink Floyd -0.19 So I rate ELP roughly one star lower than average so they are my personal most overrated. Genesis come in second for me nearly 3/4 of a star lower than average.
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Curious, I went to check your reviews and so far you've only reviewed 2 symphonic prog albums and neither of then are by ELP, Yes or Genesis . In fact I struggled to find your reviews for any of the top six. I note you gave 5 stars to Pink Floyd -Wish You Were Here which I heartily agree with! I tend to disregard ratings with no reviews in all honestly. I like to see the reasoning behind 1 or 2 stars. I get that you may not have the time of course and would rather stick to bands that need more coverage which is commendable.
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I'm not much of a reviewer, I don't particularly enjoy it, so I stick to other activities. My ratings are taken from my Gnosis profile where I've rated all the album I own.
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