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Tapfret ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8622 |
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^I'm going out on a limb and bet the person that liked it is the person who wrote the review with the same rating within 3 minutes of this one.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65676 |
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^ Favoritism? Payola? How dare he. I was okay with the review 'til that last paragraph (and he got a 'Like', too!) .
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Tapfret ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8622 |
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This review includes an editorial hypothesizing the motivations of collaborator reviews. It is at very least irrelevant to an album review. It is most likely a violation of section 4 and 5 of the reviewing policy.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45774 |
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You have an easy way with words that I will never have, but then again I am a bit of an introvert.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37415 |
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^ Understood. I'll try to turn on the non-existent charm to offer some friendly advice (constructive criticism/ share concerns) when I get the chance. I am terrible at reviews writing, but it's often easy to see where others could be improved. Simple changes.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45774 |
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A warning as in constructive criticism is what I meant. Maybe i chose my words poorly. Yes, some advice would fit nicely.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37415 |
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We have discussed his reviews. Don't see manipulation, dealt with lots involving Greco Bastian, and while the reviews would benefit from plenty of improvement, don't think they require action for abuse. I might well try to contact him to advise, but I don't see that a warning is needed/ warranted.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45774 |
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I giggled reading the first sentence. The guy seems to be constantly negative and some of his reviews are just not informative. He should be warned TBH.
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Tapfret ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8622 |
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^If nothing else it's abuse to simple arithmetic. The individual song scores get no less than 65% on the presented 10 point scale, but the overall star score is 2, or 40%. That's some artistic math.
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15347 |
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It seems user WJA-K is posting reviews with no other intent other than lowering the overall rating of the albums as seen on the latest Greco Bastian and Collage albums. The reviews say absolutely nothing except that he doesn't like them. Is this abuse?
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13800 |
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Blimey! Written in January 2009. With nearly 400 reviews on this site, and hundreds on my own site (check it out, it is very good), that is all you could find? I'll take that, my dear chap, and evidently the good burghers of Prog Archives thought that I was good enough, because not long after they promoted me.
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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1462 |
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I don't find your review of King Crimson's Construkction of Light (http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=201247) to be any different than the Cavalcade review everyone is ranting about.
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“I don’t like country music, but I don’t mean to denigrate those who do. And for those who like country music, denigrate means to ‘put down.'” – Bob Newhart
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65676 |
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Sounds good, incredibly challenging in practice I imagine. Doesn't mean it's not worth considering [or even trying for a time] but both the amount of labor required to read, decide, possibly edit, ultimately judge whether someone's humble if naive or badly-written bit is worthy would be intensive; as well as the toll it would take on the imaginary volunteers required for this task. And let's not forget one of the main reasons this place became popular was because anyone could spontaneously post their own little article on a famous album and have a page with all their opins, rants & raves, and gushing praise. Not to mention the flak we'd all get from the geniuses who think they're a lot better than they are. Oh the humanity. Edited by Atavachron - December 30 2022 at 17:13 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15347 |
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^ not sure if first impressions matter when reading reviews at least not for me they don't. ANyways, maybe someone could fix it. It would make more sense to have the newest reviews seen first.
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Tapfret ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8622 |
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On your first point, that's exactly the problem I had with it. Sure, it accomplishes the bare minimum of album description, but I know way more now about the author's hate of The Mars Volta than anything relevant about the album. As you say, this is not a value added review and certainly should not be on the front page or the site's Facebook page to showcase what is offered by the site. To your second point, I agree, but I am also aware of the added volunteer work that would require and probably a software overhaul that I really don't see happening.
True enough, but the site defaults back and new users will always see the newest first. And of course, you only get one first impression. Edited by Tapfret - December 30 2022 at 14:08 |
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15347 |
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All you have to do is scroll down to the bottom to get the latest review on any album. Easy enough me thinks :)
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65676 |
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^ Depends-- true for the Album page, but not for the Artist page which lists newest reviews first. Plus there are some key early reviews by founders, SCs, etc
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Necrotica ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Colaborator Joined: July 28 2015 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3407 |
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Maybe it's a controversial opinion, but I think we should. Something that's always bugged me a bit about PA is that reviews for a given album are ordered from oldest to newest, because those old reviews don't reflect the average quality of modern PA writeups. Not that I'm trying to bash those early reviewers, because obviously standards were different back then, but things have changed quite significantly since then. But for NEW reviews (like the one Tapfret referenced) to still exhibit those old traits... that's a lot more inexcusable in my opinion
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65676 |
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That's far from the only thing, in fact who cares about the rating? Someone can rate however they like, right? It's the review which is at about a ninth grade level... putting it nicely. But we don't usually remove reviews for poor execution, either, do we. |
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projeKct ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: November 03 2013 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2964 |
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^ Thanks Steve and Doug for your explanations, that makes sense. It's harder to write a negative review than a positive review, but this reviewer could have done better.
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