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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tapfret Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2023 at 15:41
^I'm going out on a limb and bet the person that liked it is the person who wrote the review with the same rating within 3 minutes of this one.
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^ Favoritism?  Payola?  How dare he.  I was okay with the review 'til that last paragraph (and he got a 'Like', too!) .
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This review includes an editorial hypothesizing the motivations of collaborator reviews. It is at very least irrelevant to an album review. It is most likely a violation of section 4 and 5 of the reviewing policy.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Understood. I'll try to turn on the non-existent charm to offer some friendly advice (constructive criticism/ share concerns) when I get the chance. I am terrible at reviews writing, but it's often easy to see where others could be improved. Simple changes.

You have an easy way with words that I will never have, but then again I am a bit of an introvert. 
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^ Understood. I'll try to turn on the non-existent charm to offer some friendly advice (constructive criticism/ share concerns) when I get the chance. I am terrible at reviews writing, but it's often easy to see where others could be improved. Simple changes.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

We have discussed his reviews. Don't see manipulation, dealt with lots involving Greco Bastian, and while the reviews would benefit from plenty of improvement, don't think they require action for abuse. I might well try to contact him to advise, but I don't see that a warning is needed/ warranted.

A warning as in constructive criticism is what I meant. Maybe i chose my words poorly. Yes, some advice would fit nicely. 
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We have discussed his reviews. Don't see manipulation, dealt with lots involving Greco Bastian, and while the reviews would benefit from plenty of improvement, don't think they require action for abuse. I might well try to contact him to advise, but I don't see that a warning is needed/ warranted.
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^If nothing else it's abuse to simple arithmetic. The individual song scores get no less than 65% on the presented 10 point scale, but the overall star score is 2, or 40%. That's some artistic math.

I giggled reading the first sentence. 
The guy seems to be constantly negative and some of his reviews are just not informative. He should be warned TBH. Ermm
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^If nothing else it's abuse to simple arithmetic. The individual song scores get no less than 65% on the presented 10 point scale, but the overall star score is 2, or 40%. That's some artistic math.
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It seems user WJA-K is posting reviews with no other intent other than lowering the overall rating of the albums as seen on the latest Greco Bastian and Collage albums. The reviews say absolutely nothing except that he doesn't like them. Is this abuse?

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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

To me that black midi Cavalcade review appears permissible.

It is indeed, but I have said before that whilst the review might well fall within acceptable boundaries set by the site rules, it is not a review which is going to add to PA’s reputation in the music world. Indeed, I would venture that it will decrease it ever so slightly further.

I know none of you will take a blind bit of notice of this, but I will say it anyway. I feel it is time for a major overhaul of the way the reviews are done on PA, and that should include an end to the “Wild West” of anybody and everybody being able to publish reviews. There must be some form of quality control in that only trusted reviewers are able to publish without moderation and everybody else undergoes some form of probation where their work is moderated before publication and then allowed to become trusted.


I don't find your review of King Crimson's Construkction of Light (http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=201247) to be any different than the Cavalcade review everyone is ranting about.

Blimey! Written in January 2009. With nearly 400 reviews on this site, and hundreds on my own site (check it out, it is very good), that is all you could find? I'll take that, my dear chap, and evidently the good burghers of Prog Archives thought that I was good enough, because not long after they promoted me.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

To me that black midi Cavalcade review appears permissible.

It is indeed, but I have said before that whilst the review might well fall within acceptable boundaries set by the site rules, it is not a review which is going to add to PA’s reputation in the music world. Indeed, I would venture that it will decrease it ever so slightly further.

I know none of you will take a blind bit of notice of this, but I will say it anyway. I feel it is time for a major overhaul of the way the reviews are done on PA, and that should include an end to the “Wild West” of anybody and everybody being able to publish reviews. There must be some form of quality control in that only trusted reviewers are able to publish without moderation and everybody else undergoes some form of probation where their work is moderated before publication and then allowed to become trusted.


I don't find your review of King Crimson's Construkction of Light (http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=201247) to be any different than the Cavalcade review everyone is ranting about.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I know none of you will take a blind bit of notice of this, but I will say it anyway. I feel it is time for a major overhaul of the way the reviews are done on PA, and that should include an end to the “Wild West” of anybody and everybody being able to publish reviews. There must be some form of quality control in that only trusted reviewers are able to publish without moderation and everybody else undergoes some form of probation where their work is moderated before publication and then allowed to become trusted.

Sounds good, incredibly challenging in practice I imagine.  Doesn't mean it's not worth considering [or even trying for a time] but both the amount of labor required to read, decide, possibly edit, ultimately judge whether someone's humble if naive or badly-written bit is worthy would be intensive;  as well as the toll it would take on the imaginary volunteers required for this task.

And let's not forget one of the main reasons this place became popular was because anyone could spontaneously post their own little article on a famous album and have a page with all their opins, rants & raves, and gushing praise.   Not to mention the flak we'd all get from the geniuses who think they're a lot better than they are.   Oh the humanity.




Edited by Atavachron - December 30 2022 at 17:13
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^ not sure if first impressions matter when reading reviews at least not for me they don't. ANyways, maybe someone could fix it. It would make more sense to have the newest reviews seen first.

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

To me that black midi Cavalcade review appears permissible.


It is indeed, but I have said before that whilst the review might well fall within acceptable boundaries set by the site rules, it is not a review which is going to add to PA’s reputation in the music world. Indeed, I would venture that it will decrease it ever so slightly further.

I know none of you will take a blind bit of notice of this, but I will say it anyway. I feel it is time for a major overhaul of the way the reviews are done on PA, and that should include an end to the “Wild West” of anybody and everybody being able to publish reviews. There must be some form of quality control in that only trusted reviewers are able to publish without moderation and everybody else undergoes some form of probation where their work is moderated before publication and then allowed to become trusted.


On your first point, that's exactly the problem I had with it. Sure, it accomplishes the bare minimum of album description, but I know way more now about the author's hate of The Mars Volta than anything relevant about the album. As you say, this is not a value added review and certainly should not be on the front page or the site's Facebook page to showcase what is offered by the site.

To your second point, I agree, but I am also aware of the added volunteer work that would require and probably a software overhaul that I really don't see happening.
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

All you have to do is scroll down to the bottom to get the latest review on any album. Easy enough me thinks :)


True enough, but the site defaults back and new users will always see the newest first. And of course, you only get one first impression.

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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

But we don't usually remove reviews for poor execution, either, do we.

Maybe it's a controversial opinion, but I think we should. 

Something that's always bugged me a bit about PA is that reviews for a given album are ordered from oldest to newest, because those old reviews don't reflect the average quality of modern PA writeups. Not that I'm trying to bash those early reviewers, because obviously standards were different back then, but things have changed quite significantly since then. But for NEW reviews (like the one Tapfret referenced) to still exhibit those old traits... that's a lot more inexcusable in my opinion


All you have to do is scroll down to the bottom to get the latest review on any album. Easy enough me thinks :)

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^ Depends--  true for the Album page, but not for the Artist page which lists newest reviews first.  Plus there are some key early reviews by founders, SCs, etc
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

But we don't usually remove reviews for poor execution, either, do we.

Maybe it's a controversial opinion, but I think we should. 

Something that's always bugged me a bit about PA is that reviews for a given album are ordered from oldest to newest, because those old reviews don't reflect the average quality of modern PA writeups. Not that I'm trying to bash those early reviewers, because obviously standards were different back then, but things have changed quite significantly since then. But for NEW reviews (like the one Tapfret referenced) to still exhibit those old traits... that's a lot more inexcusable in my opinion
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

^ I don't want to be mean and/or stupid, but what's wrong with this review?
Nothing, he just doesn’t rate it very highly.

That's far from the only thing, in fact who cares about the rating?  Someone can rate however they like, right?  It's the review which is at about a ninth grade level... putting it nicely.  But we don't usually remove reviews for poor execution, either, do we.


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^ Thanks Steve and Doug for your explanations, that makes sense. It's harder to write a negative review than a positive review, but this reviewer could have done better.
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