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Poll Question: Got a favorite here?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
3 [5.36%]
8 [14.29%]
2 [3.57%]
4 [7.14%]
1 [1.79%]
13 [23.21%]
1 [1.79%]
1 [1.79%]
1 [1.79%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.79%]
2 [3.57%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [3.57%]
2 [3.57%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
7 [12.50%]
3 [5.36%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.79%]
1 [1.79%]
1 [1.79%]
2 [3.57%]
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Isn’t Seconds Out held in very high regard? Surprised it’s not in this poll….
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Isn’t Seconds Out held in very high regard? Surprised it’s not in this poll….

It is, and I'm surprised that it's not included here, but there's the suspicion that some of the work on this "live" album was redone in the studio. I don't know if that's actually the case . . .
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Originally posted by Mormegil Mormegil wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Isn’t Seconds Out held in very high regard? Surprised it’s not in this poll….

It is, and I'm surprised that it's not included here, but there's the suspicion that some of the work on this "live" album was redone in the studio. I don't know if that's actually the case . . .
Here's the issue
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I was surprised that only a couple of the widely known "classics" I took for granted to be in the top ten or at least twenty weren't even close. I located Yessongs, Roxy & Elsewhere, A Live Record, Ricochet and Seconds Out in between the top 35-50. Space Ritual, Live - Bursting Out and Exit...Stage, Left all resided somewhere outside of the top 100. What does this all tell me? Primarely that obscurities with few ratings/reviews, but with an abnormally high rating average (as most of their raters/reviewers are fanboys) are weighted too favorably. Compared to household names that are rated/reviewed by "everyone".
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Mormegil Mormegil wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Isn’t Seconds Out held in very high regard? Surprised it’s not in this poll….

It is, and I'm surprised that it's not included here, but there's the suspicion that some of the work on this "live" album was redone in the studio. I don't know if that's actually the case . . .
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:


I was surprised that only a couple of the widely known "classics" I took for granted to be in the top ten or at least twenty weren't even close. I located Yessongs, Roxy & Elsewhere, A Live Record, Ricochet and Seconds Out in between the top 35-50. Space Ritual, Live - Bursting Out and Exit...Stage, Left all resided somewhere outside of the top 100. What does this all tell me? Primarely that obscurities with few ratings/reviews, but with an abnormally high rating average (as most of their raters/reviewers are fanboys) are weighted too favorably. Compared to household names that are rated/reviewed by "everyone".

Thank you!

Shame on me (again) for not reading the whole post! I'm a bad person ;-)
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If you make the minimum number of rating 300 then you get a more 'classic' list

2. Great Deceiver
3. Playing The Fool
9. A Live Record
10. Yessongs 
11. Roxy & Elsewhere
12. Ricochet
13. Seconds Out 
15. Welcome Back My Friends
18. Space Ritual
19. Live - Bursting Out
20. Is There Anybody Out There?
22. Exit...Stage, Left 


Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - August 12 2022 at 10:32
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GG Playing The Fool, amazing perfomance

Anekdoten Waking The dead its incredible too, their closer "Sad Rain" its so beautiful
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Solar Music Live. Anyone who hasn't heard it should be ashamed of themself. Wink
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Psychedelic Paul - I notice you quite often say you only know a couple of lps in a poll - surely these are chances to expand your horizons?

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Zappa for me - one of the occasions where a live recording totally encapsulates a particular period of an artist’s oeuvre 

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Gentle Giant - Playing the Fool - The Official Live.
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My top five are stone cold classics as far as I'm concerned but with little votes so what do I know?
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I'm not sure of the order but SBB is getting my vote for one of the most powerful and passionate live performances I've ever heard, and in Sweden.
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I have a wedding to go to tomorrow around 2 1/2 hours away so I'm taking those five I mentioned to get me fired up.LOL Thanks for doing the poll man!
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Some good ones in here, but Giant with Playing The Fool.  Astounding playing and singing with no 21st century trickery !
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

If you make the minimum number of rating 300 then you get a more 'classic' list

2. Great Deceiver
3. Playing The Fool
9. A Live Record
10. Yessongs 
11. Roxy & Elsewhere
12. Ricochet
13. Seconds Out 
15. Welcome Back My Friends
18. Space Ritual
19. Live - Bursting Out
20. Is There Anybody Out There?
22. Exit...Stage, Left 
Yes, but it shouldn't be needed. I think the actual top albums should be reflected in the list visitors actually look at.

This (at 38th):

4.36 | 1044 ratings
QWR = 4.3479
Yessongs
Yes

...is obviously both more treasured and far more popular album than this (at 37th):

4.47 | 126 ratings
QWR = 4.3503
Live At Fairfield Halls - 1974
Caravan

...but the latter album is still placed above the former. The Query Weighted Rating used on PA is clearly flawed. Changes in ratings on newly released albums show a similar trend here and at RYM. Its quite normal for a quality release to start with a 4.50-4.60 average after the first 50-100 reviews/ratings. It will often drop as much as 0.50-0.60 (to a 3.90 - 4.00) if it reaches outside the fanbase - like an album with a 1000 ratings has. Keeping a 4.40 from 1000 ratings is a lot stronger than a 4.50 from 120 raters. 

Btw: Nogbad_The_Bad, I'm not complaining to you. That's not my intention Just writing my thoughts on this small issue. I noticed similarly obvious flaws in Logans top ranked trios of albums. Where you suddely found top albums that had as little as 20-30 ratings among the obvious classics of the genre. Some really good ones, but still incorrect.
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Playing The Fool...greatest live album of all time. It wasn't just studio trickery; Gentle Giant could do all that and more live. Geniuses; all 5 of them!
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Steven Wilson -You Get All You Deserve

My favourite live albums are ELP's triple album (No 75) and Viva! Roxy Music which is nowhere!
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Originally posted by Duddick Duddick wrote:

Psychedelic Paul - I notice you quite often say you only know a couple of lps in a poll - surely these are chances to expand your horizons?

I'm constantly expanding my musical horizons every day here. I listen to 10 new albums a day on average, whereas before I went online in 2010, I listened to one new album a month - if I was lucky. I've listened to seven new albums already this morning and it's not even midday yet. Tongue


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - August 13 2022 at 03:11
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Playing the Fool of those listed.
But Steve Hackett is close behind and Moon Safari deserve a big mention.
But A Live Record by Camel, Renaissance - Live at Carnegie Hall, Reality Dream by Riverside, IQ - Stage and Barclay James Harvest - Live are up there with Playing the Fool.
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Incredibly, two of the best live albums ever (imo) are not in the list: Renaissance Live at Carnegie Hall and Deep Purple's Made In Japan. In their absence I go for Coma Divine as it has been recorded close to my home.
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