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Originally posted by Moonchild88 Moonchild88 wrote:

This is correct. Like you probably wouldn't recommend somebody listen to Sedmina or Gilgamesh as their introduction to prog, you start with Yes, move on to Camel, then King Crimson, and so on. So how far down this path of the weird and obscure do you think YOU personally have gone, and what are those albums. 

I personally have a bunch of stuff I'd consider at the edges of my personal collection but they are certainly not the endgame, I'm continuing to explore.






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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I am incredibly surprised to see so little understanding. While the term “endgame” is not one I would have used, nor understood without context, I assumed the idea of falling down a rabbit hole was fairly universal. Not because I expect everyone to understand English, and especially not because I assume every non-English speaker to understand every English idiom, but simply because of the idea of falling down a rabbit hole (as per Alice in Wonderland) does seem to be usually understood by those I know for whom English is not their native tongue.

I assume endgame simply to mean what is found at the bottom of whatever rabbit hole one has fallen down. I could list many, but as per my previous post, it would depend entirely on which rabbit hole I were describing, as there have been many, most of which have taken me to completely different destinations.

Yep, I understand end game, I know what a rabbit hole is, I've read Alice in Wonderland, I'm just not sure what he's asking in terms of prog artists and albums.
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I'm not sure what this means, but in my endless search for... I fell down the rabbit hole and came home with this: (The cover for Randy Greif: Alice in Wonderland Part 2, 1991)



In 1988 Randy Greif found an old 3 LP audio book of Lewis Carroll's 'Alice in Wonderland' which he used for the experimental manipulation of vocals for his five part, six hour long renidition. All parts were originally released on five cassettes. All conscientiously reviewed by Dobermensch here on PA. Often explained like this:

...Always considered a children's story, it's incredible to think how dark and frankly disturbing it can be when put in the hands of a madman. Jan Svankmajer's masterful animation from '88 is a case in point. The elements have always been there with which to create a Syd Barret acid smashed dreamscape.

A swirling keyboard, subdued but clear, makes way for more damaged spoken vocals in 'Shall I Try the Experiment'. This time they are slowed down, creating a very dark and unsettling atmosphere - almost like having cathedral gargoyles hanging over your shoulders in impending doom. There's so many great lines that take on an unexpected air of menace throughout. One of my favourites is "I'm doubtful about the temperament of your flamingo". Simple. But totally bonkers... (from his review of part four)

Part two opens with The Caucus Race which accidently sound like Can in Wonderland and a stroke of fairytale kraut-motorik genius: 



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I'm not that far down the rabbit hole on anything in my life , but if I understand the gist then for me two that come to mind are..... the Legendary Pink Dots and Motorpsycho.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Moonchild88 Moonchild88 wrote:

Pretty much title. 

Going down the prog rabbit hole how far do you think you have gotten, and what albums do you think are near the bottom of the rabbit hole. 
I hope this makes sense. 


Sorry, it doesn't make sense to me. What is an endgame prog artist?


I didn't understand either. EmbarrassedConfused


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


Friede is the chess expert; I will put her on under my name.

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For more information look up "Zugzwang", a Germanism in the English language). So technically this rule could not be applied. But of course the two players always have the right to call the game a draw if both agree.
I think there was a Criminal Minds episode with that name. The one where Spencer Reid's girlfriend gets offed.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Lucky is he who finds a prog album at the bottom of a rabbit hole. On one classic prog album this is sung, as many listeners know:

Run, rabbit, run
Dig that hole, forget the sun
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one

Quite a few holes to go, I presume. I don't know what to make of "endgame". I think I visit a golf course and see what's in hole 18 Clown.
I assumed "endgame" was a chess reference, in which case I recommend the Opening Move in Gryphon's "Red Queen to Gryphon Three" album. Wink



Me, too! I went straight for the connection to the game of chess--with the possible meaning that which players would you want at the end to do battle with. I wish the OPer would chime in to further explain his "obvious" introduction.

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this is another album dealing with chess:




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Peter Hammill Fool's mate
Peter Hammill back cover of Chameleon in the shadow of there night
both show PH in front of a chess board

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Once you've reached this, there's really nowhere left to go.
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The chess endgame is the most highly technical and skilled part of chess that requires serious practice to master it. For example try and mate someone with just a king,knight and bishop versus king. It can be done but I've seen very good players fail at it. Does that help? Tongue
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The chess endgame is the most highly technical and skilled part of chess that requires serious practice to master it. For example try and mate someone with just a king,knight and bishop versus king. It can be done but I've seen very good players fail at it. Does that help? Tongue

Even grandmasters regularly practice this. There is a certain point where a kind of "W" maneuver has to be made; make a mistake there and you won't be able to do it within 50 moves anymore (counting the moves you already made).

The most difficult endgames are the ones with only rooks and pawns left on both sides.


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For anyone who knows chess notation, here's the shortest possible game of chess:-

1. f3       e5
2. g4      Qh4 mate

And my quickest win against a computer:-

1. e4          e5
2. Nf3        Nf6
3. Bc4        Nxe4
4. Nc3        Nxc3
5. dxc3       f6
6. Nh4        g6
7. Nf5         gxf5
8. Qh5+     Ke7
9. Qf7+      Kd6
10. Qd5+   Ke7
11. Bg5      Nc6
12. Qf7+    Kd6
13. 0-0-0+  Nd4
14. Rxd4+  exd4
15. Qd5+   Ke7
16. Re1 mate!

I still have no idea what an endgame prog artist is though. Ermm


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - June 28 2022 at 11:34
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The chess endgame is the most highly technical and skilled part of chess that requires serious practice to master it. For example try and mate someone with just a king,knight and bishop versus king. It can be done but I've seen very good players fail at it. Does that help? Tongue

Even grandmasters regularly practice this. There is a certain point where a kind of "W" maneuver has to be made; make a mistake there and you won't be able to do it within 50 moves anymore (counting the moves you already made).

The most difficult endgames are the ones with only rooks and pawns left on both sides.

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

For anyone who knows chess notation, here's the shortest possible game of chess:-

1. f3       e5
2. g4      Qh4 mate

And my quickest win against a computer:-

1. e4          e5
2. Nf3        Nf6
3. Bc4        Nxe4
4. Nc3        Nxc3
5. dxc3       f6
6. Nh4        g6
7. Nf5         gxf5
8. Qh5+     Ke7
9. Qf7+      Kd6
10. Qd5+   Ke7
11. Bg5      Nc6
12. Qf7+    Kd6
13. 0-0-0+  Nd4
14. Rxd4+  exd4
15. Qd5+   Ke7
16. Re1 mate!

I still have no idea what an endgame prog artist is though. Ermm

Bravo Paul. That game actually makes me want to get the chess set out. I know its a Petroff defence and that white is playing a gambit line. I've never seen it before and I used to play a lot!
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The off-topicness here is a bit ridiculous. LOL


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The off-topicness here is a bit ridiculous. LOL


The thread has gone off-topic because none of us are quite sure what the topic is supposed to be about, other than a cryptic reference to a chess endgame. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2022 at 07:11
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I'm not that far down the rabbit hole on anything in my life , but if I understand the gist then for me two that come to mind are..... the Legendary Pink Dots and Motorpsycho.

Both of these have quite some rabbit holes on their own. Not sure this is what the thread is asking for, but this is the answer that makes most sense for me. Thumbs Up (A friend of mine is one of the worlds biggest LPD fans and has pretty much everything they have ever done. I can tell you it's hard to get deeper into any kind of rabbit hole.)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2022 at 07:39
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The off-topicness here is a bit ridiculous. LOL
The thread has gone off-topic because none of us are quite sure what the topic is supposed to be about, other than a cryptic reference to a chess endgame. Smile

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