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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't see the point of this thread. Confused
I believe we are trying to prove they have better water in Norway. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2022 at 07:14
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't see the point of this thread. Confused
I believe we are trying to prove they have better water in Norway. Smile

Exactly! Thank you, Grumpy!

Norway is, after all, the world's leading source for heavy water, right? Also for deep well storage of radioactive waste?

But, seriously, Cristi, I've been curious about the causes for occurrences of prog (or even "musical") "hot spots" for a long time and it seems that Norway has become one of these--even, in my observation, usurping the place of Sweden as Scandinavia's leading source for top notch prog. So, I just put it out there to the PA community in case any of you thinkers or statisticians have any theories or facts to back (or refute, as Nick has been doing) my supposition.

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Norway is a wealthy nation with 20% of it's money coming from gas and oil production. They've committed to giving 1% to the arts which is absolutely huge. Would have been something like under 2 billion in the mid 10's.
In Canada here the government had a policy that radio stations had to play a certain quota of Canadian music. That was in the seventies and annoying for me at the time but it was so good for Canadian bands and music here giving them a voice, a platform to be heard.
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Norway is a wealthy nation with 20% of it's money coming from gas and oil production. They've committed to giving 1% to the arts which is absolutely huge. Would have been something like under 2 billion in the mid 10's.
In Canada here the government had a policy that radio stations had to play a certain quota of Canadian music. That was in the seventies and annoying for me at the time but it was so good for Canadian bands and music here giving them a voice, a platform to be heard.

Thanks for that, John! That helps! 

As a 1970-74 devotee of CKLW, I know and applaud the policy of Canadian radio to promote their own. The arts are important!



Edited by BrufordFreak - May 28 2022 at 22:42
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You Norwegian prog fans are going to drool over this one! 

Soft Ffog , self-titled . You can find it on bandcamp. 
Listen to the last track 'Dhalsim' and then go searching for your jaw, teeth, and exploded brain matter. 
Ohhhhhhh my!  

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Mix heavy water, Norwegian oil, and Viking blood, and the only possible outcome is pure magic. I had a wonderful time in Norway a few years ago, and their culture seems like a perfect breeding ground for adventurous and eclectic music. I remember a booth at a market in Oslo that had about 20 varieties of lox-I was totally inspired.
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In the early 2000s I was communicating with some musicians from Norway . At that time I was discouraged regarding my accomplishments in music because living in New Jersey was not encouraging and particularly when it came to Progressive Rock.

Although Progfest in New Jersey was supported and exciting the hope for a Prog community putting together events began dwindling away as time progressed. One particular musician in Norway emailed me and wrote..."You should move to Norway because Progressive Rock is a way of life here"

More people generally interested in that style of music. Did Norway have billboards with an advertisement that Bruce Springsteen was going to be in town? In the end I decided to remain a recluse and work on music. I just block out imposing business deals or offers that revolve around someone else's agenda. According to musicians in Norway I wouldn't even have to deal with such realities if I lived there instead.

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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

In the early 2000s I was communicating with some musicians from Norway . At that time I was discouraged regarding my accomplishments in music because living in New Jersey was not encouraging and particularly when it came to Progressive Rock.

Although Progfest in New Jersey was supported and exciting the hope for a Prog community putting together events began dwindling away as time progressed. One particular musician in Norway emailed me and wrote..."You should move to Norway because Progressive Rock is a way of life here"

More people generally interested in that style of music. Did Norway have billboards with an advertisement that Bruce Springsteen was going to be in town? In the end I decided to remain a recluse and work on music. I just block out imposing business deals or offers that revolve around someone else's agenda. According to musicians in Norway I wouldn't even have to deal with such realities if I lived there instead.


Thanks for this, John! This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for: information from an insider's point of view/experience. Thinking of Progressive Rock music as "a way of life" in Norway is exactly what I was suspecting--or, at least, a little bit more of that kind of opinion/perspective. Thanks so much!

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Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Mix heavy water, Norwegian oil, and Viking blood, and the only possible outcome is pure magic. I had a wonderful time in Norway a few years ago, and their culture seems like a perfect breeding ground for adventurous and eclectic music. I remember a booth at a market in Oslo that had about 20 varieties of lox-I was totally inspired.

Thanks, Jack! I'm quite envious of your trip! It sounds wonderful! 
Norway is quickly climbing up my list of "Bucket List" places to visit!



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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

My guess is that, thanks to their generous health care system and high quality of life, musicians aren't constantly scrambling for life's necessities as we are in the States.  

I'd love to visit sometime!  


This advice is from a neighbour (ex neighbour now) that has been working and living there for years now:

Come visit Norway in July !

Or at least it's a good advice to someone (like me) that lives in a place where never snows and in wintertime the temperature doesn't go below 0º (Celsius, NOT Fahrenheit)


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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I think it is more that people outside Norway are simply just taking note of it.
Okay, then, why? Why are more people outside Norway taking note of their flourishing prog scene?

I’m willing to bet there are many countries around the world making as much great music as Norway, but it is simply not being shouted about. But: countries of similar population to Norway? I think that's the point of my thread: Why a "little" country of 5 million inhabitants (the same size as my home state of Wisconsin)? I don't think Wisconsin's 21st Century prog scene is as burgeoning as Norway's is (or Finland).
 
Even on the Fennoscandian peninsula alone, Finland and Sweden have as much great music as Norway. Sweden has been recognised previously, and now Norway is getting its turn to shine. But all three have great musical history and heritage, and all three have a booming modern prog scene.
When I think of the Finnish music scene I associate it with jazz and jazz-rock fusion not mainstream prog. My thread is really intended to recognize hotbeds of mainstream prog. Like Togo or East Anglia!Smile

That said, I love so much Norwegian prog (from the classic through to today). 🇳🇴 
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Originally posted by OP OP wrote:

What's in the water?
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I think it is more that people outside Norway are simply just taking note of it.
Okay, then, why? Why are more people outside Norway taking note of their flourishing prog scene?

I’m willing to bet there are many countries around the world making as much great music as Norway, but it is simply not being shouted about. But: countries of similar population to Norway? I think that's the point of my thread: Why a "little" country of 5 million inhabitants (the same size as my home state of Wisconsin)? I don't think Wisconsin's 21st Century prog scene is as burgeoning as Norway's is (or Finland).
 
Even on the Fennoscandian peninsula alone, Finland and Sweden have as much great music as Norway. Sweden has been recognised previously, and now Norway is getting its turn to shine. But all three have great musical history and heritage, and all three have a booming modern prog scene.
When I think of the Finnish music scene I associate it with jazz and jazz-rock fusion not mainstream prog. My thread is really intended to recognize hotbeds of mainstream prog. Like Togo or East Anglia!Smile

That said, I love so much Norwegian prog (from the classic through to today). 🇳🇴 



Noting that sadly Nick has not logged in in over two years (January of 2023) but maybe he still visits now and then. Of course those questions can be considered by others too. I really miss Nick, he was one of my favourite people at PA, and I hope he is well.

One thing is that if you get one or a few few recognised, renowned artists then a scene can be built up and expanded from that. And those guys from one band that is making a name for itself might work with other musicians who then get into playing that kind of music, and then others get involved playing with those other guys, more are inspired and so on.

And Scandinavia does have a rich tradition of music and art to draw on.

I don't know much about Wisconsin, but maybe they have other scenes which are blooming, like in country music, bluegrass. That said, even if they had some local Prog acts which gained success, I don't think Wisconsin would be as culturally distinct as Norway (and Norway has its own language) and so as a local thing I think it might be less recognised around the world for its particular scene (and culture). The Wisconsin Sound/ Scene could have more ring to it, by the way. Had various bands in Norway been inspired by US style country-rock and became popular there, and those inspired more and more, then maybe one might ask, "What's in the water there, why is that music so popular there?" The answer might be the spat out juice of chewing tobacco (I could be very off-base, but I associate that with country).

On another art note: I have found Norway (and Sweden, and Denmark) fantastic for TV and film. I really want to visit Norway, and visit my relatives in Sweden.

Edited by Logan - April 01 2025 at 15:00
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What is not in Norwegian water?
 
As of 2000, Norway reported that Norway does not fluorinate water.  Wink
 


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