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Poll Question: Do you stay away from prog-metal?
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Thank you very much, Jared, for such a detailed look at my present Prog Metal collection, and the time you've spent concerning
the suggestions. I'll certainly check out all those which I'm not already familiar with. Thumbs Up

I can tell that I enjoy very much the Metal sound in general, and curiously enough, it first came to me at a rather advanced age, 
and today I'm quite an old chap, but still going Metal strong. Big smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Thank you very much, Jared, for such a detailed look at my present Prog Metal collection, and the time you've spent concerning
the suggestions. I'll certainly check out all those which I'm not already familiar with. Thumbs Up

I can tell that I enjoy very much the Metal sound in general, and curiously enough, it first came to me at a rather advanced age, 
and today I'm quite an old chap, but still going Metal strong. Big smile

It's been my pleasure David; sorry for the delay in replaying, but I'm on late shifts at the moment.

I think the trick with music, as with food and in life generally, is to enjoy a varied and balanced diet! 
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

I think the trick with music, as with food and in life generally, is to enjoy a varied and balanced diet! 

Well, I think that it certainly has been the case with me, and my own music philosophy - even with some limitations and preferences as well, for sure.



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By the way, Jared, when talking about being eclectic, you should see my whole Metal collection which even being small
certainly is very eclectic - and I like that very much.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

By the way, Jared, when talking about being eclectic, you should see my whole Metal collection which even being small certainly is very eclectic - and I like that very much.

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I don't go looking for prog metal, but occasionally it finds me.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I don't go looking for prog metal, but occasionally it finds me.

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Hi,

In general, I avoid like the plague, any music that "belongs" to something or other! I find that insulting and not a sign of respect for the artist, even if so many of them sound alike, and have a tendency to do the same thing, including bad drumming, to add to the noise. Poor musicians in my book, even if the guitar shows some uncanny ability to do scales from here to heck and back ... like no one in the streets of Madrid and Barcelona do not have that ability!

So, if we drop the "style" name and discussion of "this or that", it would interest me, but otherwise, in my book the value and ability of many of those listeners is a bit on the shaky side with only 2 comments they can make and rarely being able to say something of value in regards to the music itself.

To me, it feels like the old "punk" thing ... half of it was empty, and just riding the wave of other's coattails.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I don't go looking for prog metal, but occasionally it finds me.
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Didn't Eeyore once say that he didn't go looking for happiness, but that it occasionally creeps up behind him when he wasn't looking...
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Thank you very much, Jared, for such a detailed look at my present Prog Metal collection, and the time you've spent concerning
the suggestions. I'll certainly check out all those which I'm not already familiar with. Thumbs Up

And I'm certainly looking forward to all that checking out, and in fact, that'll be a new way to find new-to-me music comparing to my main one the last 15 years, which has been by means of the top lists I had made - and thus absolutely something else than "music finds me". Big smile
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But I hope that you've seen this comment of mine:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

As I seem to have seen it, most of Prog Metal is influenced by Neo-Prog, and what I like is that without this influence. 
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Which basically means more or less dark Prog Metal, and not much PopcoRn. Big smile


Edited by David_D - May 13 2022 at 08:47
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Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

If it is bullets we are talking about while saying "progressive metal"s, I surely stay away from them.

You don't like Prog Metal with bullets, and I don't like it with PopcoRn. LOL

Sorry about that, Metal spirit is talking through me. Evil Smile
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So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.


The unrelenting sound of it is wearying to listen to, the lack of textural diversity and kindergarten dynamics of 'loud or louder than that', overly compressed production that squashes the life out of any performance, the faux angst of the singer 'Colin' an ex carpet-fitter from Ipswich a.k.a. 'Belial' summoning infernal bullies to punish earthbound bullies who called him a t.i.t at school or wouldn't go on dates.
the conceit of thinking 'odd' time signatures = complexity just by adding or subtracting beats from forgettable riffs. (the list goes on)


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^ It is crippling to listen to--  but sometimes it seems the tech metal is often the only stuff taking truly big risks both musically and commercially.   I think of Behold the Arctopus and Blotted Science to Voivod and CounterWord Experience (most of whom are probably passé by now).  

But it is painful... I remember warning people in a review about the physical damage BtA could cause.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.

Quoting my first post:

Originally posted by Hiram Hiram wrote:

metal must be horrible and crude and reek of sewers and rotten corpses. 

I don't find these essential qualities to me in prog metal. 
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.


The unrelenting sound of it is wearying to listen to, the lack of textural diversity and kindergarten dynamics of 'loud or louder than that', overly compressed production that squashes the life out of any performance, the faux angst of the singer 'Colin' an ex carpet-fitter from Ipswich a.k.a. 'Belial' summoning infernal bullies to punish earthbound bullies who called him a t.i.t at school or wouldn't go on dates.
the conceit of thinking 'odd' time signatures = complexity just by adding or subtracting beats from forgettable riffs. (the list goes on)

now I wish you posted some examples (bands) where you noticed all these negative aspects. 
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.


The unrelenting sound of it is wearying to listen to, the lack of textural diversity and kindergarten dynamics of 'loud or louder than that', overly compressed production that squashes the life out of any performance, the faux angst of the singer 'Colin' an ex carpet-fitter from Ipswich a.k.a. 'Belial' summoning infernal bullies to punish earthbound bullies who called him a t.i.t at school or wouldn't go on dates.
the conceit of thinking 'odd' time signatures = complexity just by adding or subtracting beats from forgettable riffs. (the list goes on)

This really does make it appear that you have listened to very little prog metal - or, perhaps, just simply the “wrong” prog metal for you.

There are definitely prog metal bands that I have heard that fit your description - and guess what, I don’t like them either. But there are plenty of other prog metal bands that sound nothing at all like that - and guess what, I like some of them. And, yes, I don’t like some of them, too. But what I don’t do, is make a horrifically generalised stereotype of an entire genre that has sounds and styles far beyond the simplistic criticism my stereotype implies describes it all.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So for those that don't like it what specifically is it about it that you don't like.


The unrelenting sound of it is wearying to listen to, the lack of textural diversity and kindergarten dynamics of 'loud or louder than that', overly compressed production that squashes the life out of any performance, the faux angst of the singer 'Colin' an ex carpet-fitter from Ipswich a.k.a. 'Belial' summoning infernal bullies to punish earthbound bullies who called him a t.i.t at school or wouldn't go on dates.
the conceit of thinking 'odd' time signatures = complexity just by adding or subtracting beats from forgettable riffs. (the list goes on)

now I wish you posted some examples (bands) where you noticed all these negative aspects. 


As I have precisely zero interest in Metal irrespective of the 'brand' listed on the tin, I can't be expected to appreciate the subtle nuanced demarcation between the Progressive Metal and Tech/Extreme Prog Metal sub genres on PA. It might be a Kindergarten/Junior School cut off thang y'all (but let the grown ups decide I say) Some bands who display some of the features I dislike (sourced from the very small amount of so called Prog Metal I've persevered with) might be: Death whose toe tapper Regurgitated Guts gives Cannibal Corpse a good run for their money but unlike the latter don't even know they're comical. Dream Theater (who also can't spell) are guilty of egregious metric w.a.n.k.e.r.y aforethought. Joining them in the dock m'lud are Meshuggah. I also had a look for Metallica but they seem to be in Prog Related. Is this a bug or a feature of the site? Maybe an admin can investigate.


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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


As I have precisely zero interest in Metal irrespective of the 'brand' listed on the tin, I can't be expected to appreciate the subtle nuanced demarcation between the Progressive Metal and Tech/Extreme Prog Metal sub genres on PA. It might be a Kindergarten/Junior School cut off thang y'all (but let the grown ups decide I say) Some bands who display some of the features I dislike (sourced from the very small amount of Prog Metal I've persevered with) might be: Death whose toe tapper Regurgitated Guts gives Cannibal Corpse a good run for their money but unlike the latter don't even know they're comical. Dream Theater (who also can't spell) are guilty of egregious metric w.a.n.k.e.r.y aforethought. Joining them in the dock m'lud are Meshuggah. I also had a look for Metallica but they seem to be in Prog Related. Is this a bug or a feature of the site? Maybe an admin can investigate.

Quite sardonic I dare say. Ouch
What do you mean Dream theater can't spell? Confused 
I get it DT are guilty of the so called "w**kery", but not as bad as other bands, especially in the tech/extreme subgenre. 

Meshuggah is a love or hate kind of band even for those who enjoy tech/extreme or progressive metal. They have a new album out, I'll have to see what they came up with in a genre that is already tired (the djenty sound). 

As for Death, they raised the bar high for extreme metal, so they'll have my respect for that. 

I wouldn't judge a whole genre of music based on 3 bands though. It's fine if you dislike this kind of music, no need for that mockery. 
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