Modern Prog: First Album

^ Yes, I did like the Therion song Logan posted, which is one of the reasons I decided it's well-worth keeping them in the Symphonic Metal poll. It gives me something to look forward to when I eventually get around to listening to Therion's Vovin album in full.

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: ^ Are you serious? That would make no sense at all to put Theron's fifth album in the second poll. Yes, I am very serious, because it is the FIRST symphonic metal album they did.  I'll listen to Therion's second, third and fourth albums before I listen to Theli, and if I don't like them, I can't say you didn't warn me. You don't have to listen to those albums, why torture yourself when you could listen to their symphonic metal work. I don't understand your reasoning.

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: ^ Are you serious? That would make no sense at all to put Theron's fifth album in the second poll. Yes, I am very serious, because it is the FIRST symphonic metal album they did.

^ Are you serious? That would make no sense at all to put Theron's fifth album in the second poll.

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: In all honesty, it's probably going to be sometime next year before I eventually get around to listening to Vovin and Theli.  I do not understand your logic here, but anyway...   I will not suggest anything from now on, by your logic you'll probably listen to that in 2047. 🤦‍♂️ All I'm saying is, don't hold your breath in waiting for me to listen to those two Therion albums.  Dismissing them, it feels to me you don't even deserve to listen to them (TBH), especially Vovin.

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: In all honesty, it's probably going to be sometime next year before I eventually get around to listening to Vovin and Theli.  I do not understand your logic here, but anyway...   I will not suggest anything from now on, by your logic you'll probably listen to that in 2047. 🤦‍♂️

In all honesty, it's probably going to be sometime next year before I eventually get around to listening to Vovin and Theli. 

^^ I like Swans' "Blind" song and I remember hearing it when you posted it before. It's certainly a pleasant change from the Cardiacs. 

Psychedelic Paul wrote: I prophesy disaster wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Some people have criticised my favourite YES album - The Quest - but I just think, so what, get over it.     I generally don't criticise people's taste in music... people's tastes are what they are. I just accept that your taste in music doesn't include the more avant-garde side of prog.   The Cardiacs obviously have a heart-felt following here amongst their many fans, but having listened to their crazy carnival debut and given it the thumbs down, it doesn't bode well for me liking the other three Avant Prog bands in the poll either:- Guapo; Swans & Thinking Plague.

I posted a track off a Swans albums that you said you liked before. I think I already said this to you, but it depends upon which Swans as the music is different depending on the period and album and even albums are quite Eclectic. I would not expect you to like the first four albums, Filth, Greed, Cop, Holy Money, I think you might enjoy parts of Children of God, and maybe like The Burning World (which is less dark and much more commercial sounding) and music off White Light From the Mouth of Infinity and The Great Annihilator. Swans can be pretty depressing, and I think you would rather generally upbeat music.

With Thinking Plague, I like the earlier material more than later material, but you might be different. With Cardiacs, I think you could likely find music to enjoy but not really get into the band in a big way. I'd sooner recommend The 180 G's cover album Singin' to God. As for Guapo, I love it but wouldn't think it to your tastes. Like others, they do change over time.

Again l this is where the way you listen would create problems for many. A lot of bands are diverse and one you might not like where they start but like later material, and any combination (I would not want to judge a band by a small part of the discography or wish to be alienated because I feel like I need to listen to all of the albums by a band). I commonly research and check out samples to try to find the material that I think will best suit me at first That might open my ear to more music, but I often try to start with that which I think will be most accessible to me.

You said you liked "Blind" before which was released on a Swans album (and on M. Gira's solo album).

But none of those bands would I particularly recommend to you, although you might be able to find individual pieces that you enjoy.

Here's Blind again if you forgot it (originally released on an M. Gira, the person behind Swans, solo album:



In the Swans universe, I might sooner recommend M. Gira (the man behind it) other project, Angels of Light. Swans started off being quite brutal, then later got more melodic (after Jarboe joined).



Edited by Logan - April 04 2022 at 06:35

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: If Therion develop from a Death Metal band into a Symphonic Metal band, then that is a definite improvement from my point of view.  I would not call that improvement, but a lot of talent and creativity lead to the creation of a new genre back then - symphonic metal.  I find it mind-boggling how you were not curious enough to go listen to Vovin and Theli yet.