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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I’m kind of with Pedro here, in that I don’t really believe there was ever a worst year. I guess I could go through my collection and find the year(s) with the least prog albums, but even then I still wouldn’t feel comfortable calling them the worst years.

As for the best years, I think they are now and yet to come. Prog may not be as mainstream as it was in the inevitable ‘70s years of the classic era that will be given as best by many, but it is far more accepted and prevalent now. Bands and artists from quite disparate genres are making some quite wonderful prog albums. Simply because there are more genres now, and music across a far wider spectrum than in the ‘70s, there is far more scope for prog.  2020 and 2021 were amazing years for prog - in part because of covid lockdowns, necessity being the mother of invention and all that.


Agreed.  However, Covid may have hampered the RPI scene.  I usually buy between 10-15 RPI albums per year. I purchased only six RPI albums from 2020-2021 combined.  2021 suffered more. I think that's because several Italian bands ( such as Logos) were working on their 2020 albums before Covid spread. 


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You don't see Group 87 mentioned anymore.

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From the yearly top 10 list threads I've been making I'm tempted to say 1990 and 2005 were the worst years for prog, solely because they're the only ones where I failed to put together a full top 10 :P
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Worst: 85 until 90 PinchPinchPinch

Depends who you ask. 85 to 90 saw the creation and developing (for lack of a better word) of the progressive metal genre, so not bad at all if you ask me.

That's right, buddy. Classic albums all around from the likes of Dream Theater, Fates Warning, King's X, Queensr˙che, Savatage and Watchtower.


I rest my case!!!!ApproveEvil Smile

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2022 at 06:05
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Worst: 85 until 90 PinchPinchPinch

Depends who you ask. 85 to 90 saw the creation and developing (for lack of a better word) of the progressive metal genre, so not bad at all if you ask me.

That's right, buddy. Classic albums all around from the likes of Dream Theater, Fates Warning, King's X, Queensr˙che, Savatage and Watchtower.


I rest my case!!!!ApproveEvil Smile

exhibit B : Neo-prog  LOLPigNuke

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As someone who enjoys progressive metal, I find what you said a bit rude EmbarrassedLOL.

There are a few neo-prog bands I enjoy so, again... EmbarrassedOuch
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Worst: 85 until 90 PinchPinchPinch

Depends who you ask. 85 to 90 saw the creation and developing (for lack of a better word) of the progressive metal genre, so not bad at all if you ask me.

That's right, buddy. Classic albums all around from the likes of Dream Theater, Fates Warning, King's X, Queensr˙che, Savatage and Watchtower.


I rest my case!!!!ApproveEvil Smile

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As someone who enjoys progressive metal, I find what you said a bit rude EmbarrassedLOL.

Those two forms of prog would also spoil the early 90's, but at least there was a return of RIO/Avant and the birth of Retro-Prog... not to mention the birth of Post Rock and Trip Hop. 

There are a few neo-prog bands I enjoy so, again... EmbarrassedOuch

nothing personal, though HugYing Yang
 

It's mostly to do with my personal experience and tastes, and the zeitgest of the times (especially the "sonics" of the late 80's), but I also do not appreciate either of those two forms of prog.

in general I loathed the era (almost buying no new releases) - which was fine with me since I was discovering 60's rock& jazz




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Looking at my personal Gnosis rating's by year:-

Best
1974 - 17 albums with a 12 or above, 4 with 14 or 15
1971 - 16 albums with a 12 or above, 5 with 14 or 15
1975 - 15 albums with a 12 or above, 6 with 14 or 15

Worst
1993 - 0 album with a 12 or above, 5 albums with 10 or 11
1987 - 1 album with a 12 or above, 3 albums with 10 or 11
1982 - 1 album with a 12 or above, 3 albums with 10 or 11



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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

nothing personal, though HugYing Yang
 
It's mostly to do with my personal experience and tastes, and the zeitgest of the times (especially the "sonics" of the late 80's), but I also do not appreciate either of those two forms of prog.

in general I loathed the era (almost buying no new releases) - which was fine with me since I was discovering 60's rock& jazz


I know it's not personal. EmbarrassedTongue

I understand how you ended up discovering 60s rock and jazz, 90s alternative which no one could escape back in the day (I've grown to dislike because of that) also made me go back to the 60s and 70s music. Smile
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I'm not someone who generally really buys into best this or best that or worst this or that. All Prog years have produced great relevant music to my tastes, and excellent music that I don't care much for (I love 80s for RIO and various post-punk and experimental rock). That said, in terms of quantity in my collection, the early 70s probably would be hard to beat, I have found that post 80s, 1996 and 2016 are quite special to me. As for which early 70s, I will go with 1971 now.

1971 includes:
Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire de Melody Nelson (prog to me)
VdGG - Pawn Hearts
Can - tago Mago
Comus - First Utterance
Popol Vuh - In den Gärten Pharaos
Spirogyra - St. Radigunds
Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice and Rats in the Loft
Mgama - 1001 Degrees
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Superister - To The Highest Bidder
Amon Düül II - Tanz...
Ash ra Tempel - st
Pink Floyd - Meddle
David Bowie - Hunky Dory (related anyway and one of my very favourite Bowie albums)
Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchidananda (progressive anyway)
Faust - Faust
Earth & Fire - Song of the Marching Children
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain (related to me)
Ennio Morricone - Maddalena (a prog stretch) and
Una lucertola con la pelle di donna (maybe less of a stretch)
King Crimson - Islands

Were I to go for another early 70s year, or later 70s or 80s, I could list more than for 1996 and 2016, but I love these albums:

1996:

Swans - Soundtracks for the Blind
Art Zoyd - Faust* (*I list this as originally released in 1995, but this site and others seem to say otherwise)
Crrent 93 - All the Pretty Little Horses
Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup
Tortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never Die
Cardiacs - Sing to God

2016:

David Bowie - Blackstar
Swans - The Glowing Man
Radiohead - A Moon Shaped Pool
Bruno Pernadas - Those Who Throw Objects at the Crocodiles Will Be Asked to Retrieve Them (prog related enough to me)
Xiu Xiu - Plays the Music of Twin Peaks (prog related to me)
King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard - Nonagon Infinity

As for the worst years for Prog, well those would be the pre-proto Prog years perhaps, or the year they don't exist even if that sounds a bit glib and silly. I find gems every relevant year, but some years I have not explored as much (like the last three and certain years in the 90s and 2000s I don't have much of). Had I been more diligent with taking part in Mirakaze's year polls then I would have a better idea but I do find those quite time consuming to put together especially as I commonly like to create fresh lists each time due to changing tastes and what I still remember.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Looking at my personal Gnosis rating's by year:-
Worst
1993 - 0 album with a 12 or above, 5 albums with 10 or 11
1987 - 1 album with a 12 or above, 3 albums with 10 or 11
1982 - 1 album with a 12 or above, 3 albums with 10 or 11

I knows what you mean: 
86/87/88, I don't even have a prog album above 10  (and I don't have any non-prog albums eitherLOL)

86 & 89, I've got two 11 & above


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yeah I guess I agree that 1985-1989 were probably the worst.
The best?  lots of good stuff right through the 70s and since 1990, so, yes
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Worst: 85 until 90 PinchPinchPinch

Depends who you ask. 85 to 90 saw the creation and developing (for lack of a better word) of the progressive metal genre, so not bad at all if you ask me.

That's right, buddy. Classic albums all around from the likes of Dream Theater, Fates Warning, King's X, Queensr˙che, Savatage and Watchtower.


I rest my case!!!!ApproveEvil Smile

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We all know you hate 97.4936% of what's out there, so that's nothing new. LOLWink
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in a complete waste of time, I went through the top 100 for each year from 1969 until this year on PA, and worked out how many albums from each year I own. That completely ignores prog albums from that year that are not in the top 100, and I noticed many absences from my collection in the top 100s. But I figure it worked out as a rough guide to which years I found popular, even if it will never be as accurate as actually going through my collection. But that would have taken far more time than this did.

So here is my ranking of best to worst years of prog. Not that I really think of them as beat or worst. But for the purposes of this post….

1 2015

2= 2020

2= 2016

4= 2019

4= 2018

4= 2017

4= 2013

4= 1973

9= 2011

9= 2010

9= 1972


12= 2021

12= 2014

12= 2009

12= 2008

16 2012

17= 2007

17= 2006

19 1974

20 2005


21 1975

22 1971

23= 2003

23= 2002

23= 1999

26= 1976

26= 1970

26= 1969

29= 2004

29= 2001


31= 2022

31= 1997

33= 2000

33= 1998

33= 1996

33= 1995

37 1977

38 1994

39 1982


40= 1993

40= 1992

40= 1989

40= 1980

40= 1979

45= 1981

45= 1978

47= 1991

47= 1986

47= 1985

47= 1984


51 1990

52= 1988

52= 1987

52= 1983




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Interesting approach, I'm intrigued, my version was pretty easy to check as I just had to write a quick check against my database of my collection in excel and run the numbers versus checking each years top 100 on PA. I'm now wondering what this would generate for me. I may be back.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Interesting approach, I'm intrigued, my version was pretty easy to check as I just had to write a quick check against my database of my collection in excel and run the numbers versus checking each years top 100 on PA. I'm now wondering what this would generate for me. I may be back.

I don’t have a database of my collection, so I’d have to go through all my CDs and downloads to find the years of release. I knew the approach I took was not going to be 100% reliable or accurate, and would still take some time, but it still seemed the “easiest” way to go about it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Best years for classical music = The Baroque period (1580–1750)

Best years for prog music = all of them.  I've found excellent music in each year! 

Symphonic dried up a bit after the 1970s, but jazz-rock fusion really took off.  I saw amazing live shows by Al Dimeola, Pat Metheny and others in the late 1980s/early 1990s.  Some artists like Fripp amazed me with projects like SoundScapes. 
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Best three: 1972, 1974, 1975
Worst: 2022, 2021, 2020.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Best years for classical music = The Baroque period (1580–1750)

Best years for prog music = all of them.  I've found excellent music in each year! 

Symphonic dried up a bit after the 1970s, but jazz-rock fusion really took off.  I saw amazing live shows by Al Dimeola, Pat Metheny and others in the late 1980s/early 1990s.  Some artists like Fripp amazed me with projects like SoundScapes. 

Yeah! I guess a lot of people here just listen to symph.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Interesting approach, I'm intrigued, my version was pretty easy to check as I just had to write a quick check against my database of my collection in excel and run the numbers versus checking each years top 100 on PA. I'm now wondering what this would generate for me. I may be back.

I don’t have a database of my collection, so I’d have to go through all my CDs and downloads to find the years of release. I knew the approach I took was not going to be 100% reliable or accurate, and would still take some time, but it still seemed the “easiest” way to go about it. 🤷🏻‍♂️


So what I discovered is that prog collection diverted from the mainstream pretty much once the classic period was over

In the 70's I averaged 25 top 100 albums per year with the peak being 72-75 with 30% each year. Around 55% of my 70's collection is top 100 albums.

The 80's and 90's were pretty fallow averaging 8 top 100 albums per year in a period where I have 400 albums. So around 40% of my stuff is actually top 100. So I wasn't finding anything anywhere else either.

From 2000's forward I average 12 top 100 albums per year in a period with 1200 albums. So the percentage of top 100 albums in this period has dropped to 20%.
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Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

Best three: 1972, 1974, 1975
Worst: 2022, 2021, 2020.
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By my method of deciding the best and worst years for me, 2022 is shaping up to be a great year. We’re only a quarter of the way in, and it’s already better than than 23 other years between 1969 and now!

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