Modern Prog: First Album

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: There's no need to get all emotional about emoticons. The green emoticon was supposed to mean I felt a bit queasy after taking a crazy waltzer ride with the Cardiacs manic debut.  I don't think you understood my point, or maybe you just pretend not to...

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Some people have criticised my favourite YES album - The Quest - but I just think, so what, get over it.

^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: I prophesy disaster wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Some people have criticised my favourite YES album - The Quest - but I just think, so what, get over it.     I generally don't criticise people's taste in music... people's tastes are what they are. I just accept that your taste in music doesn't include the more avant-garde side of prog.   The Cardiacs obviously have a heart-felt following here amongst their many fans, but having listened to their crazy carnival debut and given it the thumbs down, it doesn't bode well for me liking the other three Avant Prog bands in the poll either:- Guapo; Swans & Thinking Plague.

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: I prophesy disaster wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Some people have criticised my favourite YES album - The Quest - but I just think, so what, get over it.     I generally don't criticise people's taste in music... people's tastes are what they are. I just accept that your taste in music doesn't include the more avant-garde side of prog.   The Cardiacs obviously have a heart-felt following here amongst their many fans, but having listened to their crazy carnival debut and given it the thumbs down, it doesn't bode well for me liking the other three Avant Prog bands in the poll either:- Guapo; Swans & Thinking Plague.  I'm sure they'll wear it as a badge of honor.

I take modern prog to be neo prog, but Script and Lush Attic are a tie for me, so no vote.

Edited by SteveG - April 04 2022 at 07:02

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: I still have Opeth's debut to look forward to, so it remains to be seen whether I'll think they're 'opeless too, although I've heard they get better as they go along. I almost wrote off Therion after hearing their first monstrous album, but Cristi tells me they improve with age, like a  fine wine.   No, it's not what you've been told. You were told to stick with their progressive rock albums, I'd be surprised if you dislike those. And you've been told to avoid their death metal work, everyone knows you dislike that kind of music.  As for Therion, I didn't tell you they improve, jut that they developed and changed their sound, being one of the creators of the symphonic metal style/genre.

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: If Therion develop from a Death Metal band into a Symphonic Metal band, then that is a definite improvement from my point of view.  I would not call that improvement, but a lot of talent and creativity lead to the creation of a new genre back then - symphonic metal.  I find it mind-boggling how you were not curious enough to go listen to Vovin and Theli yet.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: I prophesy disaster wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Some people have criticised my favourite YES album - The Quest - but I just think, so what, get over it.     I generally don't criticise people's taste in music... people's tastes are what they are. I just accept that your taste in music doesn't include the more avant-garde side of prog.   The Cardiacs obviously have a heart-felt following here amongst their many fans, but having listened to their crazy carnival debut and given it the thumbs down, it doesn't bode well for me liking the other three Avant Prog bands in the poll either:- Guapo; Swans & Thinking Plague.

I posted a track off a Swans albums that you said you liked before. I think I already said this to you, but it depends upon which Swans as the music is different depending on the period and album and even albums are quite Eclectic. I would not expect you to like the first four albums, Filth, Greed, Cop, Holy Money, I think you might enjoy parts of Children of God, and maybe like The Burning World (which is less dark and much more commercial sounding) and music off White Light From the Mouth of Infinity and The Great Annihilator. Swans can be pretty depressing, and I think you would rather generally upbeat music.

With Thinking Plague, I like the earlier material more than later material, but you might be different. With Cardiacs, I think you could likely find music to enjoy but not really get into the band in a big way. I'd sooner recommend The 180 G's cover album Singin' to God. As for Guapo, I love it but wouldn't think it to your tastes. Like others, they do change over time.

Again l this is where the way you listen would create problems for many. A lot of bands are diverse and one you might not like where they start but like later material, and any combination (I would not want to judge a band by a small part of the discography or wish to be alienated because I feel like I need to listen to all of the albums by a band). I commonly research and check out samples to try to find the material that I think will best suit me at first That might open my ear to more music, but I often try to start with that which I think will be most accessible to me.

You said you liked "Blind" before which was released on a Swans album (and on M. Gira's solo album).

But none of those bands would I particularly recommend to you, although you might be able to find individual pieces that you enjoy.

Here's Blind again if you forgot it (originally released on an M. Gira, the person behind Swans, solo album:



In the Swans universe, I might sooner recommend M. Gira (the man behind it) other project, Angels of Light. Swans started off being quite brutal, then later got more melodic (after Jarboe joined).



Edited by Logan - April 04 2022 at 06:35

^^ I like Swans' "Blind" song and I remember hearing it when you posted it before. It's certainly a pleasant change from the Cardiacs.