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Poll Question: Which is your favourite album?
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^ I don't think I could bear to listen to any more Therion albums after that first awful experience. Maybe I'll revert back to my original choice replacement of Kingfisher Sky, who are much more to my tastes. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I don't think I could bear to listen to any more Therion albums after that first awful experience. Maybe I'll revert back to my original choice replacement of Kingfisher Sky, who are much more to my tastes. Thumbs Up


What I have already told was to start with their 1996 album. Nobody is forcing you to listen to anything you don't like. 

Like I said, excluding the creators of the genre is ridiculous, to put it kindly. Without the success of Therion's Theli and Vovin, there would not be much of a symphonic metal subgenre. 
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

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There's only one word to describe Therion's first album and that's Awful Knaufel. Don't waste your time listening to this monstrosity, as there's nothing to recommend it. This Death Metal dirge is as dreadful as it gets....

While I don't like it, not my taste, nor would I describe it as good, I could well imagine many people who are into old school death metal appreciating it. 
It's only the second album I've ever given a 1-star rating to, but Cristi tells me Therion get better as they go along. After all, they couldn't get any worse. Smile

You might give their second album a one too (or maybe a two) if you opt to continue at some time.
 
Well, they could get worse for someone who hates Symphonic Metal, but I am confident that it will get better for you, but it might take a few albums in before you start really liking things (I'm no expert but judging by another site).  Early Therion is not recommendable to those who dislike death metal and are into Symph metal (and not recommendable per this topic at least).  One thing that death metal and symph metal has in common for me aside from the metal aspect is  cheesiness, but one is more old moldy, kind of rancid and sour cheese that smells bad,  and the other is more like processed cheese.  To some both are in bad taste, but I can enjoy both death metal and symph metal, and am not above having some cheese in my diet (especially Stilton, which I know many find quite unpalatable).

I would not want to listen to music the way you do (full discographies from beginning to end) when it comes to many bands.  Swans is my current fave in PA, and I would have dismissed it had I started from the beginning.  I often look into the discography and tend to go with those albums first that the descriptors and reviews indicate that I might most enjoy (eventually I might want to try everything as other music by the band might prime me for new music avenues).
On the subject of cheese, Therion are about as appealing to me as mouldy Stilton. Tongue

I'm looking forward to checking out Swans' albums - eventually - when I revisit my series of Modern Prog  polls. Thumbs Up
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You are missing out, sir, on some fine music  


As for Swans, the band varies so much depending on the period and album.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I don't think I could bear to listen to any more Therion albums after that first awful experience. Maybe I'll revert back to my original choice replacement of Kingfisher Sky, who are much more to my tastes. Thumbs Up


What I have already told was to start with their 1996 album. Nobody is forcing you to listen to anything you don't like. 

Like I said, excluding the creators of the genre is ridiculous, to put it kindly. Without the success of Therion's Theli and Vovin, there would not be much of a symphonic metal subgenre. 
You know me well enough by now to know that I always listen to an entire discography by an artist, even if I don't like everything I hear. I can't start with Therion's 1996 album and ignore everything that came before it. Confused
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I don't think I could bear to listen to any more Therion albums after that first awful experience. Maybe I'll revert back to my original choice replacement of Kingfisher Sky, who are much more to my tastes. Thumbs Up


What I have already told was to start with their 1996 album. Nobody is forcing you to listen to anything you don't like. 

Like I said, excluding the creators of the genre is ridiculous, to put it kindly. Without the success of Therion's Theli and Vovin, there would not be much of a symphonic metal subgenre. 
You know me well enough by now to know that I always listen to an entire discography by an artist, even if I don't like everything I hear. I can't start with Therion's 1996 album and ignore everything that came before it. Confused

Listen to the song Logan posted, it's from one of the most influential symphonic metal albums. 
I have already advised you to listen to the Theli album, I was hoping you would do it to see where symphonic metal started. I am also hoping you will/would enjoy the album or at least aspects and portions of it. I guess you are not that curious it seems. 
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Okay, due to unpopular demand, I'll keep Therion in the poll, seeing as they're listed primarily as a Symphonic Metal band on their Wikipedia page. I'll still listen to all of Therion's albums, although not necessarily all the way through from beginning to end. Ouch

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Well good, should I miss the seventh poll, consider me now to have given a write-in vote for Therion's Vovin. A fine album and a reminder that I should listen to more Therion and friends.

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Okay, due to unpopular demand, I'll keep Therion in the poll, seeing as they're listed primarily as a Symphonic Metal band on their Wikipedia page. I'll still listen to all of Therion's albums, although not necessarily all the way through from beginning to end. Ouch

From 1996 to present day, they have made symphonic metal. They are the most relevant creators of this kind of music. 

You can also skip their extreme metal phase. No one will judge. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Okay, due to unpopular demand, I'll keep Therion in the poll, seeing as they're listed primarily as a Symphonic Metal band on their Wikipedia page. I'll still listen to all of Therion's albums, although not necessarily all the way through from beginning to end. Ouch

From 1996 to present day, they have made symphonic metal. They are the most relevant creators of this kind of music. 

You can also skip their extreme metal phase. No one will judge. 
Therion are listed as a Progressive Metal band here on PA, which confuses me even more, but then again, I'm easily confused at my age. Tongue
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Okay, due to unpopular demand, I'll keep Therion in the poll, seeing as they're listed primarily as a Symphonic Metal band on their Wikipedia page. I'll still listen to all of Therion's albums, although not necessarily all the way through from beginning to end. Ouch

From 1996 to present day, they have made symphonic metal. They are the most relevant creators of this kind of music. 

You can also skip their extreme metal phase. No one will judge. 
Therion are listed as a Progressive Metal band here on PA, which confuses me even more, but then again, I'm easily confused at my age. Tongue


they created a new music genre more or less, this is progressive, isn't it? 
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^ Yes, Therion made a welcome progression from an awful Death Metal band to a listenable Symphonic Metal band, so I guess that makes them progressive, even if they're not exactly Progressive Metal. Smile
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^ Yes, Therion made a welcome progression from an awful Death Metal band to a listenable Symphonic Metal band, so I guess that makes them progressive, even if they're not exactly Progressive Metal. Smile

They are progressive because they often go beyond the verse-chorus-verse pattern, they are sometimes polyrhythmic, and they have experimented a bit. So I do not mind them being here on PA under progressive metal. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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^ Yes, Therion made a welcome progression from an awful Death Metal band to a listenable Symphonic Metal band, so I guess that makes them progressive, even if they're not exactly Progressive Metal. Smile

They are progressive because they often go beyond the verse-chorus-verse pattern, they are sometimes polyrhythmic, and they have experimented a bit. So I do not mind them being here on PA under progressive metal. 
In that case, maybe you won't mind the Progressive Metal band Ayreon being included in a Symphonic Metal poll. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Yes, Therion made a welcome progression from an awful Death Metal band to a listenable Symphonic Metal band, so I guess that makes them progressive, even if they're not exactly Progressive Metal. Smile

They are progressive because they often go beyond the verse-chorus-verse pattern, they are sometimes polyrhythmic, and they have experimented a bit. So I do not mind them being here on PA under progressive metal. 
In that case, maybe you won't mind the Progressive Metal band Ayreon being included in a Symphonic Metal poll. Smile

Not the same thing. Ayreon are progressive metal but they're not symphonic metal. Can you just give it a rest. 
I wonder how many times does anyone have to tell you Ayreon does not belong in this poll. Stern Smile
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^ Okay, you win, I give in. I'll substitute Ayreon for Kingfisher Sky. At least the genuine Symphonic Metal bands will have a realistic chance of winning now that they're not up against mighty Ayreon in every poll. Smile

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^ Okay, you win, I give in. I'll substitute Ayreon for Kingfisher Sky. At least the genuine Symphonic Metal bands will have a realistic chance of winning now that they're not up against mighty Ayreon in every poll. Smile

there you go... Big smile
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Here's a preview of the final line-up for the second Symphonic Metal Poll:-

Aesma Daeva
After Forever
Amberian Dawn 
Apocalyptica
Autumn
Avantasia
Coronatus
Delain
Diabulus in Musica
Edenbridge
Epica
Imperia
Kamelot
Kingfisher Sky
Leaves' Eyes
Lunatica
Nightwish
Rhapsody
Serenity
Sirenia
Therion
Tristania
Visions of Atlantis
Within Temptation
Xandria


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^ alrighty then! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ alrighty then! Thumbs Up

It's good to know my updated Symphonic Metal list meets with your seal of approval and you have no further objections to the final line-up for Poll #2. Hug
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