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Poll Question: Which is your favourite album?
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Okay, if any further proof is needed, here's Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody, before they became Rhapsody of Fire.  Smile


a simple ggogle would suffice, why you keep persisting with your inaccuracies I do not know... Confused

To be fair to Paul, he’s not at all inaccurate here. He says “Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody”, which is exactly what this is. So I take it as an acknowledgment that he recognises that the two are different artists. Just as you could accurately say “here’s Jon Anderson performing with King Crimson” about Lizard. Neither statement actually says that Rhapsody is Lee’s band, or that Krimson is Anderson’s.


Paul thinks Rhapsody was Christopher lee's back up band which was never the case. Lee guested with Rhapsody. The song Paul keeps posting as proof is a Rhapsody song from 2004 so it's all nonsense here. 

Lee made power metal, no Rhapsody musicians were involved though. 

We’ll have to agree to disagree here. I think it’s entirely possible that Paul ONCE thought that Rhapsody was Lee’s (back up) band, but there is no way he still thinks that. He is baiting you, and you’re taking it. Even his words make no claim that this video is proof that Rhapsody is Lee’s band, note does he claim that Rhapsody is Lee’s band. You’re reading between the lines to make that inference. Paul often writes in a deliberately vague and ambiguous manner that offers the opportunity for someone to take offence. But the key there is someone is taking offence, rather than Paul being offensive. I’m not suggesting Paul has never been offensive, because he certainly has been, at times. But careful reading shows that he is often not saying exactly what people assume he is saying.

And, of course, I could be wrong. I tend to be naive and like to give people the benefit of the doubt, which is why I continue to engage with people like Paul and David and Pedro, because I don’t think they intend to be malicious or offensive, and they do often have views I agree with, or that I can learn from.

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Okay, if any further proof is needed, here's Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody, before they became Rhapsody of Fire.  Smile


a simple ggogle would suffice, why you keep persisting with your inaccuracies I do not know... Confused

To be fair to Paul, he’s not at all inaccurate here. He says “Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody”, which is exactly what this is. So I take it as an acknowledgment that he recognises that the two are different artists. Just as you could accurately say “here’s Jon Anderson performing with King Crimson” about Lizard. Neither statement actually says that Rhapsody is Lee’s band, or that Krimson is Anderson’s.


Paul thinks Rhapsody was Christopher lee's back up band which was never the case. Lee guested with Rhapsody. The song Paul keeps posting as proof is a Rhapsody song from 2004 so it's all nonsense here. 

Lee made power metal, no Rhapsody musicians were involved though. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Okay, if any further proof is needed, here's Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody, before they became Rhapsody of Fire.  Smile


a simple ggogle would suffice, why you keep persisting with your inaccuracies I do not know... Confused

To be fair to Paul, he’s not at all inaccurate here. He says “Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody”, which is exactly what this is. So I take it as an acknowledgment that he recognises that the two are different artists. Just as you could accurately say “here’s Jon Anderson performing with King Crimson” about Lizard. Neither statement actually says that Rhapsody is Lee’s band, or that Krimson is Anderson’s.

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Okay, if any further proof is needed, here's Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody, before they became Rhapsody of Fire.  Smile


a simple ggogle would suffice, why you keep persisting with your inaccuracies I do not know... Confused
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Okay, if any further proof is needed, here's Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody, before they became Rhapsody of Fire.  Smile


No, it's Rhapsody with guest Christopher Lee. 

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^ Okay, if any further proof is needed, here's Christopher Lee performing with Rhapsody, before they became Rhapsody of Fire.  Smile

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^ Is that Christopher Lee’s band? 😜

I'd better not comment or I might annoy Cristi again. Tongue

please comment, since when do you worry I'd get annoyed? LOL

Christopher Lee was a guest narrator and singer on one (or two possibly) of Rhapsody's albums (or Rhapsody of Fire who knows, there were 4 line-ups at some point LOL). 

No Rhapsody musicians were in Lee's metal band. So I don't even know where you got the idea that the musicians of Rhapsody were Lee's back up band. 
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^ Is that Christopher Lee’s band? 😜

I'd better not comment or I might annoy Cristi again. Tongue
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^ Is that Christopher Lee’s band? 😜

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4 stars 1997: Rhapsody of Fire - Legendary Tales - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m059E6yqtZftA_wL9BYJoiQ4h4QE1-NWQ
 


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Forget Sophie's Choice and Hobson's Choice, this is Cristi's Choice, so say goodbye to Dimmu Borgir - who have disappeared from here For All Tid (thankfully!) - and say a warm hello to the sound of Diabulus in Musica, but watch out for the cookie monster again! Dead



not my choice, you asked for a band, I gave you an example. 

Who are you warning about cookie monster vocals? You are the only one here disliking it. LOL
Well, cookie monster or no cookie monster, I did give Diabulus in Musica's debut a well-deserved 4-star rating, which is more stars than Dimmu Borgir or Opeth will ever get from me. Smile

By the way, how do you know I'm the only one here who's scared of the cookie monster? Tongue

I don't know how David is with growls, possible he is not into it, but even I dislike a lot o growlers. The other users that posted here are not appalled by growls. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Forget Sophie's Choice and Hobson's Choice, this is Cristi's Choice, so say goodbye to Dimmu Borgir - who have disappeared from here For All Tid (thankfully!) - and say a warm hello to the sound of Diabulus in Musica, but watch out for the cookie monster again! Dead



not my choice, you asked for a band, I gave you an example. 

Who are you warning about cookie monster vocals? You are the only one here disliking it. LOL
Well, cookie monster or no cookie monster, I did give Diabulus in Musica's debut a well-deserved 4-star rating, which is more stars than Dimmu Borgir or Opeth will ever get from me. Smile

By the way, how do you know I'm the only one here who's scared of the cookie monster? Tongue
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtvBErXZ1Hc

Paul, you might prefer this...
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Forget Sophie's Choice and Hobson's Choice, this is Cristi's Choice, so say goodbye to Dimmu Borgir - who have disappeared from here For All Tid (thankfully!) - and say a warm hello to the sound of Diabulus in Musica, but watch out for the cookie monster again! Dead



not my choice, you asked for a band, I gave you an example. 

Who are you warning about cookie monster vocals? You are the only one here disliking it. LOL
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Forget Sophie's Choice and Hobson's Choice, this is Cristi's Choice, so say goodbye to Dimmu Borgir - who have disappeared from here For All Tid (thankfully!) - and say a warm hello to the sound of Diabulus in Musica, but watch out for the cookie monster again! Dead




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I really didn`t know the existence of the symphonic metal genre, moreover many of the bands like Rhapsody of Fire, Kamelot, Edenbridge, Avantasia, Epica, Delain, Symphony X i identify plain and simple as power metal.

Therion first work its old school death metal, similar to other bands in that time like Entombed, Carnage and dismember, and really i dont find any similarity with the aforementioned bands.

Within temptation, After Forever, the italians Lacuna Coil and the norwegians tristania were bands very influenced by The Gathering from the first albums (Always,Almost a Dance, Mandylion) and the norwegian band The Third And The Mortal, at the end of the 90´s to that type of bands we called them, goth metal or doom death metal.

Sirenia and Nightwish (adding classical trained singer, Tarja) appeared some time later, in turn influenced by the aforementioned bands, Evanescence too but adding Nu Metal.

Never like Dimmu Borgir, i prefer bands like Ulver, Enslaved, In The Woods...

I would add a band to this poll called Dreams Of Sanity, i think they would fit in this type of genre.

Really this genre its not my cup of tea, the only band that can barely tolerate its Lacuna Coil (only their debut and sophomore albums) and Ayreon (i consider them plain and simple progressive metal)
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^ There was a time not so long ago when "From Genesis to Revelation" was my favourite Genesis album. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, but it's either all or nothing with me, where I'll either listen to all of the albums by a band or none at all, depending on whether or not I like the first album. 

Really glad that's not the logic I employ when listening to new bands.  I tend to just pick any album I can get a hold of and see how it sounds.  Looking at my music collection, there are quite a few bands where, if I had listened to their debut album first, then I probably wouldn't have listened to any more Wink

Imagine listening to "From Genesis to Revelation" and using that as your  judge of all things Genesis LOL
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^^ Saw them on the Dirge tour... supporting Leaves Eyes actually... my favourite album of theirs..
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^ Good choice! That's another five albums I have to look forward to listening to. Thumbs Up

                  2010: Diabulus in Musica - Secrets
                  2012: Diabulus in Musica - The Wanderer
                  2014: Diabulus in Musica - Argia 
                  2016: Diabulus in Musica - Dirge for the Archons
                  2020: Diabulus in Musica - Euphonic Entropy
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