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Mascodagama 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 5111 |
 Posted: March 02 2022 at 07:42 |
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Hey micky, good to see you too! Sorry to hear you got virused, but glad you and Raff are otherwise doing well. Yeah, I'm still hanging around here, one of the last few bums at the Prog Authority Terminal.
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Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to.
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lazland
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Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13796 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 13:20 |
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At the UN today, just four countries voted with Russia against a resolution deploring the invasion of Ukraine. Eritrea, North Korea, Belarus, and Syria.
What company to keep. Of nothing else persuades decent humanity of the shocking and disgraceful actions of this bunch of gangsters, then take a look at the company Putin is keeping. The free world has, thankfully, woken up and started to toughen up. Not before time.
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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Archisorcerus
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Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2707 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 14:02 |
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Hmm. This article seems intriguing. (See the link below.) I'm again clueless about the credibility of the source though. I generally tend to favour the websites that end with .org, I must say. Any comments?
https://www.alternet.org/2022/03/russian-military-expert-vladimir-putin/ |
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10680 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 14:36 |
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^ Looking at the stories at the bottom of the page, I'd say this site seems okay, but I'm hardly an expert.
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progaardvark
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Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52658 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 15:49 |
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I came across individuals documenting the invasion on MapHub. These all look like they're being compiled from Twitter posts. Some are videos, some are images. Text seems to be mostly in English or Ukrainian, but I've seen some in other languages.
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JD
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Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 16:06 |
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Doesn't it just make you wanna...  |
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Online Points: 6802 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 17:57 |
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American Big Tech Companies Turn on a Dime.
Facebook reverses ban on praise for Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi group if it fights RussiaFacebook is reversing the ban it placed on users praising the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi military unit, The Intercept reported on Saturday. The battalion was banned in 2019 under Facebook’s Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy. The platform had classified the group alongside others such as the Ku Klux Klan and Islamic State. As per the internal policy materials reviewed by The Intercept, Facebook will “allow praise of the Azov Battalion when explicitly and exclusively praising their role in defending Ukraine OR their role as part of Ukraine’s National Guard.” https://freepresskashmir.news/2022/02/26/facebook-reverses-ban-on-praise-for-ukraines-neo-nazi-group-if-it-fights-russia/ Not to be outdone, Amazon selling Nazi Battalion clothing. Men's and women's Azov Battalion shirts and Hoodies. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=azov+battalion&crid=18RSRTXRBESNX&sprefix=azov%2Caps%2C104&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_4 |
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jamesbaldwin
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Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 18:39 |
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This is my opinion: 1) Putin invaded Ukraine with the intention of annexing it to Russia. The invasion of a sovereign state is always a crime, we must condemned it, regardless of the reasons. More devastating this invasion will be in terms of destruction and deaths, Greater will be the crimes to be blamed on Putin. And unfortunately Putin's crimes are growing day by day. 2) Any comparison with Hitler invading Poland, or with the USSR invading Czechoslovakia / Hungary etc. it does not make sense. 3) Any historical category of the past (fascist / Nazi / communist) applied to Russia or Ukraine makes no sense. However, Russia and Ukraine are two very nationalist States that have nothing to do with Lenin's communism. 4) Any reference to whether Russia or Ukraine is democratic or not makes no sense. 5) Russia's reasons are to be found in the expansion of NATO to the East, which has endangered its security. The coup d'état carried out in Ukraine in an anti-Russian sense is also part of Putin's reasons. Last but not least, the fact that there are many Russians in Ukraine. These reasons do not justify the war or Putin's crimes, but serve to understand the root causes, which cannot be traced back to Putin's psychological analyzes. 6) Putin's reasons correspond to the sins of the West, in particular of the USA, which are ALMOST as big as Putin's. I'm talking about political faults, not crimes. If Biden will continue to try to expand NATO at East or foment war, the US's faults will be greater. 7) There are economic and political reasons why the US want an Europe united with the Eastern States in NATO: this enlarged Europe will never be a political subject and will be disadvantaged economically by a break with Russia. 8) The original sin of this war is therefore the enlargement of NATO to the East, or rather the enduring existence of NATO with the Cold War and the USSR over. NATO is a military alliance that plans to make wars. Putting American missiles in Ukraine, as would happen with Ukraine's entry into NATO, is as if Mexico allied itself with Russia, Syria and Iran and placed missiles aimed at the US cities: what would the US do? We know what they would do, they would not accept this possibility, which is reminiscent of the Cuban missile crisis. Ukraine, if Ukraine was governed wisely, it would have sought neutrality. Europe's ineptitude is 1) the unwillingness to get out of NATO or the American yoke 2) the unwillingness to get a political subject. 9) The Ukrainian people, but also the whole of Europe and Russia's s people will be the victims of this war. Americans will still benefit from it. The UN should by now be considered an obsolete organization, unable to maintain the conditions for which it was born. 10) If I were a politician of the European Parliamento or an American politician, I would ask for a meeting with Putin in the neutral zone in order to find an agreement on the basis of the exchange: - immediate withdrawal from Ukraine - pact not to enlarge NATO to the east (Ukraine, Finland, Sweden). The fate of the Ukrainian areas with a Russian majority needs to be discussed. Unfortunately, no Western politician is doing this, on the contrary, the European Union has accepted Ukraine's candidacy within the EU just as there is a war, and some European states are sending weapons to Ukraine. The US instead invited Sweden and Finland to attend a NATO meeting. In short, the West is doing everything wrong, it is blowing on the fire. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Online Points: 6802 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 18:44 |
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Lucid breakdown analysis ^
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tszirmay
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 19:49 |
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As part of a team of amateur historians (mostly from THAT neck of the woods , and having emigrated to the West), I and we have been debating and analyzing the fall of the USSR intensely, as well as looking at historical context of the consequences thereof. All your points, except for number 8, are insightful facts with a smidgen of opinion. We would like to add a few if you permit: 1-Putin claims that Ukrainians are NOT a nation but rather the original birthplace of Russia ("Mother Russia" came originally from Kiev) , and as such are nothing more than Russians with a weird dialect (aka brothers). Well watch the fratricide then. 2-While NATO may seem an evil of some sort, It has never invaded East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic States but did end the Milosevic regime in Yugoslavia (if you are referring to "making wars"). 3- when Soviet troops entered the above list of "fraternal socialist comrades" , they claimed the same as Putin did: to eliminate and crush the Fascist/Nazi yoke seeking to subvert socialism and a threat to the Motherland. Can you possibly find another script, Vladimir? Georgia, Afghanistan, Syria and Chechnya were also led by drug-infested Nazi gangsters? Really? 4- the Russians are a most unfortunate people as they are generally decent human beings with probably the worst slate of leaders ever: the brutal Czars (Alexander, Catherine, Ivan and Peter to name a few, Lenin and Stalin were outright psychopaths , while the Brezhnev and company were corrupt geriatric disasters. Gorbachev was a decent man, therefore generally disliked because he wasn't a strong-armed bully. Along comes Putin , a clever, shrewd martial arts/chess-master who wants to REVIVE the glory of Russia and who has files on everyone , a modern day Joseph Fouche (look it up) . Stating that NATO members are the warmongers is kind of funny, as the Berlin Wall had guns turned inwards and not outwards to repel some capitalist invasion. Sadly, the Ukrainian famine (Holomodor) will make the people ready to fight to the last , especially if the women and children have safe haven in NATO-land. Lastly, none of the NATO countries bordering Russia have any nuclear missiles aimed at Moscow (where did you get this "fact" ?) . Cities like Budapest , Warsaw, Bucharest, Prague, Riga, Tallinn and Vilnius rely more on tourism than ICBMs, I assure you. They would never , ever accept any nukes on their soil as they would be the first to be obliterated in any conflict. As a product of Russian invasion , I worry more than those commentators who have never witnessed the flattening of a city like Aleppo, courtesy of the Russian Air Forces....... Otherwise, your opinion is most worthy of applause.....
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10680 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 20:01 |
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Re jamesbaldwin: First of all let me say I am always opposed to US military actions.
As for many of your valid points about Russia, I think with a different Russian leader, maybe this could have been worked out. Unfortunately, putin is batsh*t crazy and has just carried out one of the worst public relations campaigns in history. I don't see how Russia can recover from all this, I feel sorry for the Russian people, and I do know many Russians personally. The US is a sinking sun for sure, but Russia just sunk themselves for a long long time, the damage done in just a few days is not going away, putin blew it, but he doesn't even care, he is a sick man. Edited by Easy Money - March 02 2022 at 20:09 |
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King of Loss
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Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
Posted: March 02 2022 at 20:27 |
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend, anyone?
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: March 03 2022 at 00:07 |
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If anything, Putin has made the best possible case for NATO. Better than any NATO could have made for themselves. NATO is going nowhere and if in fact Ukraine succeeds in keeping out Russia, it would be no surprise if it joins NATO too. Far from strengthening multipolarity, Putin has taken the geopolitical nap potentially back to 1999. And beyond. I mean who dreamed that Germany would sanction a military budget after all these years. Edited by rogerthat - March 03 2022 at 00:16 |
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cstack3
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VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7413 |
Posted: March 03 2022 at 02:22 |
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Interestingly, Bob and Toyah check in on the matter!
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Woon Deadn
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Joined: March 30 2010 Location: P Status: Offline Points: 1017 |
Posted: March 03 2022 at 02:32 |
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I don't think Navalny is anyhow great... Both for Russia and the rest of the world. He is the Russian nationalist, as well. There was a moment at one of the shows on the Russian TV like a decade ago when his opponent said, "I don't think I'd like to live under your presidency" to which Navalny answered, "Don't worry, you WILL like it"... And it hardly sounded like a joke - it rather sounded like a speech of the power-thirsty man, dominant, arrogant and ignorant man. After all, Navalny didn't seem to give the Crimea back to Ukraine, according to his words. So, those dreams of Navalny's greatness are just another demonstration of the fact that Russia doesn't know and doesn't understand the West - while the West doesn't know and doesn't understand Russia...
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Woon Deadn
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Joined: March 30 2010 Location: P Status: Offline Points: 1017 |
Posted: March 03 2022 at 03:00 |
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Did they sing something about the Islamic State? About the Iraq invasion? First, it is pleasant that the foreigners support the suffering nation. Second, how much do the foreigners know about the situation in the world except for what they were told in the mass media? I mean, I remember the Pussy Riot incident very well. The western mass media believed Pussy Riot's performance in the cathedral was perceived by Russians as the protest against Putin. In fact, the overwhelming majority of Russians perceived their performance as a mockery at the sacred place, historically significant place as well (dedicated to the victory over Napoleon in 1812, then destroyed by Stalin, then re-built in the post-Soviet Russia as the symbol of the national revival). Even Navalny said it was too much. Their performance looked exactly like what the Bolsheviks did during the 1920s-1930s - when they also used to kill the Christian believers and the clergy a lot... It was a feature of a very bad taste for Pussy Riot to act like that. So, when the foreigners supported it, they demonstrated their ignorance of the history of Russia. Is that song above a sincere protest or a consequence of mass media hysteria? I'd prefer to hear only sincere protests born out of full knowledge. Not the results of hype or sensory shock. Anyway, thank God, I have never been a real fan of most of what KC did.
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Lewian
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Posted: March 03 2022 at 03:16 |
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The problem that I have reading this is it looks as if Russian security concerns are legitimate whereas Ukrainian, Polish, Latvian, Finnish etc. security concerns don't count.
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Woon Deadn
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Posted: March 03 2022 at 04:18 |
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Unfortunately, the big guys rule the world. We have already mentioned here the Monroe doctrine... The USA thinks and acts in the same way. Fortunately for the USA, they are surrounded by oceans, Canada and Mexico only... Unfortunately, this is a man's world and the man has to be very strong and very big. Otherwise he is destined to be bullied. I hope you understand it yourself.
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Raff
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: March 03 2022 at 04:54 |
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Too many attempts to simplify what is a very complex situation. I am the last person in the world that would ever defend the US - I've lived here for almost 14 years, and to say that I don't like it would be an understatement - but painting them like the villains in this situation is beyond ridiculous. Most people here hardly know where Europe is - let alone Ukraine - and resent all the expense of money and human resources that the US go through in order to protect Europe. I have also lived in Finland for almost 6 years, and moved there the year after the country joined the EU. Having a 1,300-km border with Russia is constant cause for concern there, and if you know anything about the recent history of the country this concern is not exaggerated. That being said, I am quite sure that in the recent (and not-so-recent) past Ukraine did something they shouldn't have done, and the presence of Nazi or Fascist sympathizers (also "foreign fighters") in both the Ukrainian and the Russian armies is a well-documented fact. However, in the midst of all this political posturing and finger-pointing, there are innocent people who have been forced to leave their homes, and will have to beg for help and shelter from other countries that will probably end up against them. And I am not even mentioning those who have died or have been hurt. I am not sure that Ukraine's supposed intention of joining NATO against Russia's will justifies the suffering that's being inflicted on the people.
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
Posted: March 03 2022 at 05:10 |
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At this point, I'd rather see Ukraine give up and Zelensky taken to the US for asylum before Putin levels the entire country and thousands more die. No one is going to stop Russia.
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