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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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interesting.. and well and wisely put .. sure anyone following this closely has read this.. but if not.. this a must read... |
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I haven’t commented in a political thread here for a while, and provide no point of view excepting to say thanks, Mick, for sharing this article, which I hadn’t seen before tonight. Extremely interesting and challenging.
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
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Thanks for sharing the article, but I believe that there are many parts of it that I think I disagree with Hill on, such as the final part about might makes right. That truly never went away with the end of World War 2. World War 3 is of course on the horizon and it will be bloodier than World War 2.
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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3075 |
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Putin using nukes would be suicidal... If he was 80 and dying of some illness, THEN, I'd be really scared. I think Putin has reassurances from China, who has to be talking with the US to not let this get out of hand, because if we look back to the first World Wars, we see how easy it is to start a war, but how difficult it is to stop one. But we can maintain our humanity. Although I haven't seen this (outside of this place full of understanding people) on the internet and/or real life. If you say you drank vodka last night, "You're a traitor!", and vice-versa. It's too much. But, people shouldn't fear being socially ostracized simply because they are curious and want to hear ALL sides and not having to play the blame game, or joining the group, joining the popular opinion. Iraq was bi-partisan, despite people like me knowing there were no WMDs. I was more surprised that the US didn't plant some, but I guess they figure they don't have to do it, since people have lost their anti-war spirit. When the US was in ONE war (Vietnam), colleges were closed, kids were getting their heads split open by the police, sticking their neck out literally, or sacrificing the lives of their family, career, etc.. Just try not to fall into the knee-jerk answers, especially if you don't know the entire story. I don't, so I try to get the best cross-section of opinion from all areas to have a better informed opinion.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end? Only someone like Churchill would know.
Edited by SteveG - February 28 2022 at 17:13 |
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Hugh Manatee ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 07 2021 Location: The Barricades Status: Offline Points: 1587 |
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Putin is testing the resolve of NATO, the West and anyone else positioning themselves against him. How far he will take his bluster is any ones guess, however I feel that he has made a huge error in judgement and now he has to try whatever he can to turn the situation in his favor and not loose face completely.
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10680 |
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In this video, Russian soldiers express their regrets. Most soldiers were not told they were attacking Ukraine, many were told these were just exercises etc, or that they would be in Crimea.
The people who can stop this war are the Russian people, just as US citizens rose up and stopped the war in Vietnam. Edited by Easy Money - February 28 2022 at 20:26 |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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The US was involved in Veitnam from 1964 to 1975. I hope that's not a model to be emulated.
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
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https://thehill.com/policy/international/596218-ukrainian-leaders-press-lawmakers-to-back-no-fly-zone
This is f**kING NUTS!
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^ That link is bad--- What exactly is "nuts" about it? The bombing of schools? The proposed no-fly zone? This news is at least a day old. |
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
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An US or NATO incursion into Ukrainian airspace might cause accidents you know.... then who would be able to stop a nuclear war?
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That's why Biden thinks it's a bad idea. |
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
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No sane person would want the US or NATO to get involved in this war directly.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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I just hope this doesn't turn into a witch hunt for all Russians living abroad as only a minuscule fraction are oligarchs and many would concur that Putin is a dick. Some of we Brits can envisage the sort of hate mongering competition appearing in tabloid w*nk rag the Sun along the following lines: 'Kill a Ruskie and win a Ford Focus....!'
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Woon Deadn ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 30 2010 Location: P Status: Offline Points: 1017 |
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It will surely turn into a witch hunt... Which will only make Russians inside Russia even angrier. Unfortunately, it is too difficult to find a totally unbiased information during the war. As an Ukrainian trying to be unbiased, I may only repeat that I personally saw no reason worth of invading Ukraine by Russia. What so special happened during these last months that the invasion was necessary? Nobody can understand. If Russia attacked in March 2014 it at least would have been understandable. Here now just nothing happened to cause the invasion. Maybe, their security services had more information than me - I suppose so. ![]() As the personal remark, I personally have not experienced with my own body any bombings, shelterings, shootings of anything civilian or anyone civilian - I do not live in Kiev or Kharkiv, though. In my own personal experience, as of now, the Russian military only tried to destroy the military objects or the objects near which Ukrainian weapons were located. Bombings of schools that were mentioned here may be possible, but I personally have not witnessed anything like that. As of now. I remember the times of Euromaidan and tons of lies that were poured in those times - so when I have not witnessed and have not proven it for myself, I'd better stay neutral about it. Anyway, pretty nobody asked the Russian military to "liberate" Ukraine. On the other side, in Kiev the local power gave to anyone who wanted to defend the city 25,000 AK-s and 15,000,000 bullets... Was it a good idea? How can the power take those weapons back after the conflict? No way to do it, at all.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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I don't think it was her intention to say that 'might makes right' ever went away... what has is what she called the 'rules based system'. Say what you will be our own foreign adventures... but they were not taken unilaterally without engagement with the world community. One to remove a regime that directly attacked our nation... and another under the false pretext of having WMD's but ..well.. also was a murderous regime who had a thing for gassing and murdering their own people. The integrity and moral standing of this country suffered a blow to its standing that it might never recover from because of that but the point stands that both still went through the rules system she talked of. completely different obviously from Russia has done here with the Ukraine. Dispensing completely with any rules even an attempt of false pretext to invasion.. and a pure and simple attempt to expand its borders and subjugate a free, peaceful (that is...when not fighting Russian backed separatists trying to take its lands and redefine borders agreed to by the Russians in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons), and democratically elected government. Apples and Oranges to the sins this country has committed post Cold War
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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the human being in all of us wishes we would.. or could directly help the Ukraine. Those pictures we see coming out of that country are absolutely heart rending 'Show this to Putin'... the bravery the Ukrainians have exhibited has been truly inspiring. However.. The truth is Biden (and NATO) are playing this out as it should. Rationally.. not emotionally Help Ukraine draw this out for as long as possible and give time for the body count and economic sanctions to either stop Putin from moving west to where direct conflict WOULD be unavoidable.. thus a far greater chance of nuclear exchanges.. or the most likely end game I can see to this. This is Afganistan 1979 all over again for Russia... while Russia will eventually take Kiev and Kharkov.. perhaps even Lvov. That is a nation of 44 million that wants no part of being part of Putin's Russia... the fighting there could go on for years... and those sanctions are going nowhere till Russia is out and Ukraine's internationally recognized borders FULLY restored (yes.. the Crimea included) and either Putin is disposed by the army, oligarches or his own people...or simply kicks the can (if he does indeed have issues that are unknown to us but helped speed this invasion as Hill noted)
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As a 1956-born Hungarian who had to flee with his parents AFTER the revolution was crushed, what is happening now in Ukraine is extremely disturbing emotionally, very "deja vu". The Ukrainian civilians and military are fighting back, just like my brethren did ever so bravely, giving the Russians hell to pay but at a huge cost in lives and suffering. Hungary managed to be free for 11 days before the Soviets re-invaded massively and mercilessly crushed the "rebellion". Let"s pray for this insanity to end differently than in 1956.
Maybe its time again for the aliens to intervene in extremis.
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
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I won't comment much here, but our government disregards the "rules based system" all the time if it is suitable for them. The hypocrisy is so obvious to any observer from a million miles away
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
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They can take those weapons back after the conflict. With full-on bloody Stalinesque repressions! That's going to be so bloody....
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