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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

so what would be an objective criteria for rating? Confused

You've mentioned two, songwriting and performance, it might be "composition", "creativity", "originality", ability to reflect the Zeitgeist. I don't remember exactly, I just know that some Prog magazines when making reviews and ratings have used some criteria which can be said to give the rating to some degree character of objectivity. 

That is at least an opinion some people find to be true, and I'm interested in hearing some more about that opinion. 

Yeah, why use the word "objective" here? What would be a "subjective" criteria? 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

What would be a "subjective" criteria?

You've already mentioned one, just like it or not like it, and it could be due to it's Jazz and not Rock, or hundred others similar reasons, or find it too noisy due to an ear damage and so on. 
It's only fantasy that set limit for how many ways of subjective evaluation one can find.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

What would be a "subjective" criteria?

You've already mentioned one, just like it or not like it, and it could be due to it's Jazz and not Rock, or hundred others similar reasons, or find it too noisy due to an ear damage and so on. 
It's only fantasy that set limit for how many ways of subjective evaluation one can find.

Yes, but "like it/dislike it" is the only subjective criteria, that's true.

But an objective review is for lack of a better word, boring. it's stating the obvious: like stating the genre, how many members in the band and what do they play, how many songs, some are fast and some are slow, there is one ballad, one long song and that many short ones etc.

Subjective reviews are the best, it's what the reviewer goes through when he/she has listened to the album. 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Yes, but "like it/dislike it" is the only subjective criteria, that's true.

"subjective" is all that which has something to do with oneself and not the music itself, and as a principle it's unlimited in number of possible "things".





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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Yes, but "like it/dislike it" is the only subjective criteria, that's true.

"subjective" is all that which has something to do with oneself and not the music itself, and as a principle it's unlimited in number of "things".

I think and I feel something when i listen to music. So subjective is more relevant. 

I'm not sure I understand for sure what you say there. 
""subjective" is all that which has something to do with oneself and not the music itself"? What else is there? What about catharsis? 

As a "principle"? What principle? 

'What is "unlimited"? The music? objectivity? subjectivity? I don't get it... Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

But an objective review is for lack of a better word, boring. it's stating the obvious: like stating the genre, how many members in the band and what do they play, how many songs, some are fats and some are slow, there is one ballad, one long song and that many short ones etc.

If I start a thread with this topic, you'll get the possibility to argue and discuss. Tongue
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

But an objective review is for lack of a better word, boring. it's stating the obvious: like stating the genre, how many members in the band and what do they play, how many songs, some are fats and some are slow, there is one ballad, one long song and that many short ones etc.

If I start a thread with this topic, you'll get the possibility to argue and discuss. Tongue



What is there to discuss? I said what i think. No need to argue. 
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The ten key elements for me in what makes for a great album, or to put it another way, Max Factor 10. Tongue

 * Emotional Appeal
 * Originality
 * Power and Passion
 * Production & Arrangement
 * Replayability
 * Songwriting Technique
 * Technical Ability
 * Versatility
 * Vocal Ability
 * That Indefinable 'X' Factor

By the way, if you rate each of these ten key album factors out of ten, then that'll give you a final percentage rating out of 100. Smile

"Thank You Captain Obvious!" - as Cristi would probably say. Tongue


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^ no, far from that. Nice post TBH. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ no, far from that. Nice post TBH. Thumbs Up

I'm blushing now. Embarrassed I believe that's the first time you've ever thanked me for a post. Tongue
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ no, far from that. Nice post TBH. Thumbs Up

I'm blushing now. Embarrassed I believe that's the first time you've ever thanked me for a post. Tongue

not thanking, just a well written, good post, that's all. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ no, far from that. Nice post TBH. Thumbs Up

I'm blushing now. Embarrassed I believe that's the first time you've ever thanked me for a post. Tongue

not thanking, just a well written, good post, that's all. 
Thanks again! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The ten key elements for me in what makes for a great album, or to put it another way, Max Factor 10. Tongue

Ookaay, thank you very much for this information, Paul, and I'm certainly impressed as well. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

- Even I find it as your choice.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The ten key elements for me in what makes for a great album, or to put it another way, Max Factor 10. Tongue

Ookaay, thank you very much for this information, Paul, and I'm certainly impressed as well. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

- Even I find it as your choice.


Thanks! I guess it must have been an okay "Max Factor" list to have garnered rare praise from Cristi. Tongue


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Ookaay, thank you very much for this information, Paul, and I'm certainly impressed as well. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

- Even I find it as your choice.

And Paul, you're certainly full of suprises.
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Thanks! I guess it must have been an okay "Max Factor" list to have garnered rare praise from Cristi. Tongue

Not least considering that he argued against "objective" criteria. LOL
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Here's a rather unique Christian Reggae band who scores a ten from me for both Originality and Emotional Appeal. I like to Jah Wobble to these beautiful Lovers Rock songs, although it's more Wobble than Jah at my age. Tongue

Christafari - Try Jah Love


Christafari - Hosanna





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Here's a rather unique Christian Reggae band who scores a ten from me for both Originality and Emotional Appeal. Thumbs Up

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Here's a rather unique Christian Reggae band who scores a ten from me for both Originality and Emotional Appeal. Thumbs Up
LOL

But then, I don't think you know the full story in this case.  


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If Christian Reggae doesn't float your boat, then how about some Rock Steady Reggae from Dread Zeppelin? Elvis is in the building!! Wacko

Dread Zeppelin - Heartbreaker
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