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I knew it was likely with this one, Logan. It's a popular field of music and a lot of women have had huge hits in it's genre.
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Logan
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Another suggestion from me:
Victime - Fatigue |
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shall we have all final nominations in by Monday?
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The Jezabels: Trycolour (2011) Another one from me. So now I am at three. - 2/4 members of this Oz alt rock band are ladies. Sadly they disbanded a few years ago. I normally prefer to share recent stuff but I want to stick with Australia. I will be commenting on the songs this weekend if that is not too late. Cristi, when does the nomination round start? Edited by Mila-13 - October 23 2021 at 03:53 |
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All these Interactive Polls have been a real joy to me and this one is no exception. Sometimes a poll theme is not as challenging to me as others, but I'm also always surprised by the diversity that is generally brought forward. Sometimes the musical/generic clichés are evident (some themes lend themselves better to that than others), but when I like the clichés I don't mind. For exemple, I much more like the rock clichés here than some metal clichés (like djent, or the need for speed), so I'm more comfortable here than I would be in a metal poll, but I wouldn't mind at all participating in the latter (though there might be less to be found to my liking). Also, I don't mind when people don't like my submissions and tell me that - I will be utterly disappointed and all night and all that, but I will get over it. Each has her/his own preferences and taste etc. and I appreciate everyone's appreciation, be it positive or negative - that's how we also get to know each other a bit better. So, back to this poll and my appreciations... And, if you don't like to read what I don't like, then you better not read them at all... They're just mine. Cristi: A nice selection of classic hard rock! Joan Jett & The Blackhearts stand out for me, together with Fanny's blues grounded rock: they have that extra touch that make them more original and/or more captivating than the "average" rock band. JD: Just as with Cristi's selection, this is the hard rock I like: damned catchy, a bit glammy and a pleasure to hear. Maybe The Runaways the least interesting to my ears, but Lita Ford and Lee Aaron are competing... I prefer Lee Aaron though. I very much like Nina Hagen, but not all of what she has done. This one is not convincing me. TCat: The Breeders make me think a bit of Alice Cooper and produce a nice bluesy rock & roll americana. Grunge is not really my cup of tea and L7 confirms that. I'm a bit disappointed by the post-rock track of Linda Martini because in my opinion she doesn't get out of the post-rock cliché sound and structure. My favourite of yours is without hesitation The Jones Sisters, maybe because it's not heavy, but especially because it is catchy and uplifting, also thanks to the chorals. Lewian: Sylvia Juncosa definitely is energetic, but maybe a bit too raw, too bare-bone to my liking. Ideal is a bit in a similar vein but has an extra - more New Wave - touch that I prefer. Not very enthusiastic about either though. Go_A, on the contrary, is much more to my liking. It was one of the two/three songs that stood out from the sea of mediocrity that the Eurovision contest generally delivers, and my preferred one. Damned captivating with that hypnotic rhythm speeding up. Don't know if it is rock, but it is good! Mathman: Dead Sara is a nice example of where all the clichés work out well; I find it a great energetic and captivating track, well performed (I suppose the song is referring to The Weather Undergound movement?). More convincing than Thunderpussy (a bit too straight forward) or The Pretty Reckless (too much djent). Tigerfeet: Joanne Shaw Taylor sounds a bit too linear to me, no highs or lows, just straight ahead... Imelda May brings a speedy rock 'n roll song, quite nice, but I think I prefer Ellips, a great rocking song with some nice instrumental interludes (apart from the solos) and catchy chorus (thanks for the link to the lyrics!). suitkees: Nobody's Wife is a good example of what a cliché rock song is: it is rather formulaic (verse, chorus, verse...), heavy guitars, a bit of rage and a catchy melody. But it is just good! It's A New Day should be shown everywhere where there is still no gender equality (which means everywhere, thus!). What a voice! But probably too mellow for this poll. Izia brings a more modern take on the cliché rock song, with a snippet of grunge. Great voice too and nice melodies changing over from the vocals to the instruments and back. Logan: Oohwaah...! Yes definitely energetic, but both are a bit too noisy to my liking. If I have to point out a preferred one, it is between the groove of Melt-Banana or the chaotic quirkiness of Midori. I go for the groove, but don't expect to get my vote ;) *putting ears to rest* (will listen to them again though, being warned now) Victim is not something I will get in to, I think. Eskaton on the other hand is a great discovery! Not to say outstanding! There's a lot going on here too, but it is more challenging in the good way... Forget the noise! jamesbaldwin: Love the Italian language, I only wished I could speak it a bit better. This is a nice selection. Carmen Consoli sounds the least original to me. Cristina Donà sounds good and is typically an example for me that I probably would enjoy much more in a live setting than from a CD (or streaming). I surprise myself for quite liking Üstmamo, bringing in a bit of rap. This one is competing with Cristina Donà, but I think I have a slight preference for Üstmamo. Snicolette: Heather Nova with her beautiful voice trapped in a cliché rock song, ha! Yes, I like it, a bit mainstream maybe, but she adds something to it that makes it more interesting. Romeo Void bring in a touch of Ska but this does not entirely convince me; it sounds a bit too linear to me. Oh yes, The Pretenders, very well known, but I don't remember this song. Not their best, imo, but it is a solid rock song, nice to hear. Cannot choose between them and Heather Nova. Mila: Tash Sultana with a more downbeat song. Sounds more pop than rock to me, apart from the guitar solo towards the end, but I quite like it - it's nicely grooving. Courtney Barnett's song is more rocky. It's a bit linear to my ears, not unpleasant, and I'm not really convinced by her declamatory vocal style. But from the three I think I prefer The Jezabels. Great rhythms, great singing, energetic... it has all it should have. Edited by suitkees - October 23 2021 at 08:10 |
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Had to do some digging in older polls, because I presented her before, but I never nominated her. So, that will be done now... I thought that a live performance would be justified, because it brings forward that she is also an awesome performer; and - damn - she rocks! This will be my nomination: Anna Calvi - Wish (live): Edited by suitkees - October 23 2021 at 15:09 |
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Thank you for the perfect description of the Heather Nova piece! Also, I always enjoy your stepping back and reviewing your own selections (nice touch). Also your opening statement especially the last 2 sentences.
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I'm all in for final nominations by Monday.
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As Spinal Tap put it, "I just want to make some eardrums bleed." Thanks for taking the time comment on the choices (and Nickie too). It does present a dilemma. I like noise, I like noise rock (well, normally in moderation) and I do want to put something out there that is rather different from other people's choices, represents a part of my tastes, and that I feel fits my interpretation of the brief well, and I'm resistant to following orders. That Melt-Banana is automatically what I wanted others here to experience, and not just because I'm a sadistic b*****d. I love it, and not just because I'm a masochistic b*****d. It's over-the-top, but it has groove I like. I love the bass lines. Eskaton is an old-time favourite of mine, and in choosing "Dagon" it would be less likely to be familiar to posters here than going with something from 4 Visions (my favourite Eskaton album), but the Melt-Banana I felt sure would be my choice when I posted it. I did think people generally here might appreciate it more due to being rather different from the others that are more standard commercial rock fare. And since no one has liked it in this thread or if they have, they didn't say so. I do tend to favour the quirky, and not the more straight ahead and mainstream kinds of rock choices. It's just my taste, rather like how I tend to be more on the experimental rock than the more typical melodic rock side. I often appreciate the unconventional and less conventional. Hopefully whatever choice I go with will present some satisfying contrast in the list and make it more eclectic as I appreciate hearing a diversity of sounds and seeing a diversity of approaches. My heart still says Melt-Banana, but part of the reason to list multiple ones is to hear what the other posters think of one's selections, and as I see it, take that into account. I do want to post something that is going to be appreciated by someone other than me. Sometimes when I have trouble deciding, I just want to say, please topic-starter, pick what you find best of my selections. Regarding criticism generally: I consider music to be very much a part of me in a way and when I share music meaningful to me I feel like I am making a personal statement -- baring my soul a little bit even if others would not see it that way. When one hears negativity about the selection, it can feel like that person is negating you, is invalidating you. But the thing is not to take it too personally, and realise that what that person says comes from their experience and tastes and says something personal about them. It used to bug me when I would share something I like and someone else would say "That sucks", "There are better choices" etc. And rarely would those claims be backed up, as its subjective. I found that strange as I don't make the claim that what I like is good or the best generally and recognise the subjective nature of music appreciation. I'm happy with criticism as I long as I feel it's constructive and well-meaning. It's when the delivery comes across as "cold", as arrogant, as belittling, as invalidating of different perspectives that it can be hard to swallow. I'm fine when people tell me that they don't enjoy what I enjoy as long as they don't claim that I am wrong to like it or express incredulity over me liking it or make certain non-demonstrable truth claims. Another's tastes can be unfathomable to oneself. And trying to quite nicotine gum again, which means I get more rambly than ever. It's very hard to think straight. Edited by Logan - October 23 2021 at 09:18 |
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^ If I were you, which luckily for you I'm not, I would stick with Melt-Banana. It may not be for me, but somehow I guess it might much more please Cristi, Mike, George, Özgür (he hasn't participated in this poll (yet), but somehow I guess he might like this more than me...) and maybe others. There are only few commenting and of course they are not representative of what the IA-crowd (all and everyone! The masses!) might think.
Very well put, imo. It is why I said that it might be a disappointment when someone doesn't like your (my) suggestions, but on the other hand we can only respect that person's own preferences and once we get to know someone a bit better acknowledge that something we might like might not be in his/her scope... BTW, don't think your humour remains unnoticed (regarding Midori):
(and this is just one of the many examples that regularly make me laugh! I like those language games...)
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Thanks to everyone for the comments. It always makes it easier to pick my nomination as many times it is difficult for me to do on my own. I usually like to put up a variety of songs to show that the subject is not always as "limited" as we might think it is.
This time around, I've noticed that everyone that commented seemed to like a different track more than the others, and it turns out that among the comments, every one of the submissions was preferred by someone, and therein lies the danger of posting a variety. So, I'm still thinking about which one to nominate, but I'll decide by Monday. Thanks again for the comments!
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About this speech. Fritz Perls, the founding psychiatrist of Gestalt psychology, remembers that everything is on a line of contrast. Now, I don't remember exactly the term of the concept he uses, but still. How can you say you like something if you don't know disgust? How can you say you feel pleasure if you don't know pain? (Moreover, there are cases in which the two terms, that is the opposite poles, get confused: pleasure taken to the extreme can cause pain, and vice versa) Negative criticisms are as essential as positive ones, because if there were only positive criticisms, you would lose the taste, the pleasure of those criticisms. In short, negative criticisms are indispensable to feel a lot of pleasure for positive criticisms. |
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So, I really wanted to post "Cannonball" by The Breeders, even though I like the "Saints" song, I felt "Cannonball" was too well known. I may end up using this one instead of the "Saints" song. Here it is if you want to hear it and throw your opinions at me before I decide.....
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Here's my take on the first page....
Cristi: Joan Jett – I Hate Myself for Loving You. Already know this one too well. Joan was one of my best friend’s favorite artists when I was growing up, so I’m quite familiar with her music. Fanny – Place in the Country – This is the vibe I love to hear, raunchy, and not over-produced and a lot of attitude. And a great mix of soul in there with the rock with impressive guitar and piano solos. Killer ending. Girlschool – Race with the Devil – Great guitar work with an addictive hook, the vocals a bit to sweet however, and it’s a bit cliché, but still fun. Blood Ceremony – Goodbye Gemini – Sort of a Grace Slick vibe and the added flute is cool. Love the solid hooks, but I do lose interest towards the end. My pick from yours is the Fanny track, and it is a contender. JD: Lee Aaron – Watcha Do To My Body – She’s got the swag for it, but I’m not that convinced, and nothing there really reeled me in. It’s basic heavy pop. Lita Ford – Kiss Me Deadly – Already quite familiar with this one. Great hooks and more convincing than the previous one, but its still heavy metal pop and not the style I care for “You know I like dancin’ wit’chu” . The Runaways – Cherry Bomb - Much better. I like the attitude and it seems more authentic. Great hooks, better video, more of the punkish attitude which I love, though it’s not punk, I still like it better. This one would be my favorite. Bonus track: Nina Hagen – Universal Radio – Glam rock with the larger-than-life personality to match. Not a fan of the programmed synth, and the clips from the live show with the guitarists hitting the power chords when there are no guitars playing at the time is humorous. Still like The Runaways best. Lewian: Sylvia Juncosa – One in Three – That’s what I’m talking about. A lot of attitude mixed with an unpolished sound and a lot of originality. Plus a great hook, crazy tempo and a blistering guitar solo. This is perfect. Ideal – Eiszeit – Not bad, but a bit on the repetitive side, melodically. Not quite as captivating as the Juncosa track, but still pretty good. Punkish, but with a high dose of new wavish sound mixed in. Suitkees: Anouk – Nobody’s Wife – Solid beat on the chorus with softer verses, but it has the right attitude. I like her vocals and the track is also pretty good. It’s got that ‘90’s alternative rock feel which was a bit cliché in 1997, but it sounds good now. Anouk – It’s a New Day – Still love her vocals which stand out even more on this song. And it’s got a more updated feel to it, not just in the message, but in the sound. There are great rocking ballads, and this one is really good. Izia – So Much Trouble – Great tension build up that delivers nicely. I love that it keeps the driving rhythm on the 2nd verse. This one is another great track. I like all three of your tracks, so I’d be good with any one of them, though I probably lean towards the Izia track most as it has more of an unpolished feel to it, though I like Anouk’s vocals more, so it’s a though choice. mathman0806: Dead Sara – Weatherman – Yeah, I like this one. It definitely is convincing and sold me on her gruff vocals and the driving rhythm. Yeah the chorus is a bit repetitive, but her vocals make that okay. And that hook is awesome, so is the middle section when it builds that tension. Did I mention that I love the vocals. I’m sold! Love it. My favorite out of your submissions. Thunderpussy – Powerhouse – Hard and heavy, but it doesn’t deliver the punch like your first selection did, even with the video, which seems a little mismatched to the song for me. The Pretty Reckless – And So It Went – This one is a bit better, but it’s still a little unconvincing to me. I do like the alt-metal feel to it, the RAtM/Audioslave-like guitars (Morello is involved after all and that’s the best part), and the delivery is okay, but it just doesn’t have the punch of the Dead Sara track. tigerfeet: Joanne Shaw Taylor – Bad Love: Yeah, I love the blues-influenced hard rock on this one, and she definitely rocks. Killer guitar solos. This is a great track and her use of the famous lyrics which fit perfectly here. It’s my kind of rock, blistering and hard driving music. Great track. Melt-Banana – Shield for Your Eyes, a Beast in the Well
on Your Hand – Yessssssssssss!!!!
This noisy guitar driven, bass heavy music is what I absolutely
love. And then the unhinged vocals only
make it all better. I’m going to have to
dive into this one even more. Great
stuff! Midori – ミドリ — かなしい日々。Okay, this one is a little
bit over the top, though there are some parts about it that I love. Not a fan of the vocals, even though I
understand where they’re coming from. I
suppose I might get to like it if I could get past the vocals. Melt-Banana is my choice from these two. Eskaton – Dagon – Nice slow build and
the organ and harmonized vocals mirroring each other is a great touch, very
mysterious and sinister. Then that crazy
change of direction at 5 minutes is awesome!
The growling bass sounds like a behemoth. The beat drives forward, pushing like it
can’t wait to get to a certain pay off of sorts. Love this.
I gotta get me some more of that, for sure! So, I would be happy with this one or the
Melt-Banana track. jamesbaldwin: Cristina Donà - Ho Sempre Me – Yes, I really like
this one and it’s good to hear that Snicolette: Heather Nova – Walk this World – Nice, sultry, and
yes a rock edge to it all, kind of that dark alt-rock that I really like. There are some great guitar effects in the
middle that grabs my attention. Love the
cello-like bass in it too. Romeo Void
– Never Say Never – This is a band I remember from the 80’s, but I never
paid a lot of attention to it for some reason.
After hearing this now, I don’t know why I ignored them so much as this
is the kind of messy, punkish feel that I tend to be attracted to now. That being said, I do remember this track and
am familiar with it, though I guess I never put the band name and the song
together. Love the song, but, I know it
already, but I do thank you for reminding me of it. The Pretenders – Middle of the Road –
An all-time favorite of mine from way back when I first heard it. I love the first three albums by The
Pretenders, including and especially this hard rocking, fast moving song. It gets me going every time! So, I have to go with the Heather Nova track
since I already know the other two, but The Pretenders would otherwise have
been a contender if I had never heard it.
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mathman: The Pretty Reckless are my winner among yours - the christmas thing made this extra fun for me. Dead Sara not far behind though. Logan: Cool stuff there - both are big fun. Hard to decide between them, both could be prizeworthy. By the way I only know 4 Visions of Eskaton and it's great, as is the one you play here. I need to expand them in my collection it seems. jamesbaldwin: It seems the law of this poll that the last suggestion works best for me - maybe because it makes me proud that I now get most of the Italian lyrics. Christina Dona isn't bad either, the second one isn't my cup of tea. Snicolette: I'm tempted to say just for the sake of keeping up the law mentioned above that I prefer the Pretenders. Indeed there's not much between them. Honestly Romeo Void comes over as most fresh and sharp here. tigerfeet: We're properly back to last one trumps here. The first one meh, the second one nice, the third one Imelda May big fun. Mila: These two are very different and hard to compare. I think Courtney Barnett makes me want more to hear her song again. (Heard Jezabels now who don't change my preference.)
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I wouldn't have complained and I've seen Camel a number of times, but chances are most of the rest of the audience would've had different ideas.
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Thank you for your thoughts on these. I love most of Heather Nova's stuff, especially when she veers from more standard fare (which, thankfully, is most of her material). Romeo Void also had that great commentary song, "A Girl In Trouble," but that wasn't a rocker. I figured most people would know The Pretenders, this was definitely one of their more straight-ahead rockers, I almost entered "Watching The Clothes Go Round," which always cracked me up. |
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