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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Kanye West's Power is actually a sample that's been reproduced. ;p But anyway, IMO quoting is a form of sampling. However, that's debatable

Conscious sampling/quoting is one thing, accidentally using somebody else's composition is quite another.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I wonder why sampling (in this case mistakingly called plagiarism) is hated by prog rock fans yet loved by hip hop fans.   

I don't think hip-hop fans care (or know) where the samples come from. 

False, there are plenty of websites dedicated to finding out where samples come from, such as the sample of Dancing With The Moonlit Knight that provides the basic backing track to OutKast's Spottieottiedopaliscious.  I've also seen plenty of YouTube videos and Spotify playlists comparing songs that sue samples with the songs they sample. People do care where the samples come from.


I know there are videos and people that are curious about samples but you casual, average listener, I very much doubt it. Some of them don't even know what samples are and how they are used. 

I doubt that's relevant here because neither will the average Yes listener worry about what Monkman did 150 years ago and how that's related to the Ice Bridge. If Yes have any "average listeners" left, that is. Tongue
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I wonder why sampling (in this case mistakingly called plagiarism) is hated by prog rock fans yet loved by hip hop fans.   

I don't think hip-hop fans care (or know) where the samples come from. 

False, there are plenty of websites dedicated to finding out where samples come from, such as the sample of Dancing With The Moonlit Knight that provides the basic backing track to OutKast's Spottieottiedopaliscious.  I've also seen plenty of YouTube videos and Spotify playlists comparing songs that sue samples with the songs they sample. People do care where the samples come from.


I know there are videos and people that are curious about samples but you casual, average listener, I very much doubt it. Some of them don't even know what samples are and how they are used. 

I doubt that's relevant here because neither will the average Yes listener worry about what Monkman did 150 years ago and how that's related to the Ice Bridge. If Yes have any "average listeners" left, that is. Tongue

I think I know 5 people in real life that know who Yes is and two of them because of me. LOL What does it mean? what does it mean? LOL
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Kanye West's Power is actually a sample that's been reproduced. ;p But anyway, IMO quoting is a form of sampling. However, that's debatable

If by reproduced you mean had extra effects added on to it so it fits in aesthetically with the rest of the song, sure. But that's definitely Greg Lake's voice and the drums fills from the original.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I wonder why sampling (in this case mistakingly called plagiarism) is hated by prog rock fans yet loved by hip hop fans.   

I don't think hip-hop fans care (or know) where the samples come from. 

False, there are plenty of websites dedicated to finding out where samples come from, such as the sample of Dancing With The Moonlit Knight that provides the basic backing track to OutKast's Spottieottiedopaliscious.  I've also seen plenty of YouTube videos and Spotify playlists comparing songs that sue samples with the songs they sample. People do care where the samples come from.


I know there are videos and people that are curious about samples but the casual, average listener, I very much doubt it. Some of them don't even know what samples are and how they are used. 

Well generalizations don't do any argument any favors, but while I might be inclined to agree a lot of people don't particularly care to figure out where every sample comes from once I think about just how many different people listen to hip hop, I do think most people who have been listening for a long enough time are totally well aware what a sample is and how a sample gets used.
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Talking about casual listeners doesn't help an argument considering they don't care about a lot of stuff. Casual music listeners are naturally not inquisitive about music. And that's fine. Someone who knows a lot about hip hop, on the other hand, would naturally know about samples and where they come from.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Talking about casual listeners doesn't help an argument considering they don't care about a lot of stuff. Casual music listeners are naturally not inquisitive about music. And that's fine. Someone who knows a lot about hip hop, on the other hand, would naturally know about samples and where they come from.

Obviously someone who knows a lot about hip hop knows how samples work, I'm not disagreeing about that, just that I think there are more people that don't know about that than those who know. Maybe I am wrong, but it's just my opinion. 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I wonder why sampling (in this case mistakingly called plagiarism) is hated by prog rock fans yet loved by hip hop fans.   

Where did sampling come into this? I thought it was just that Downes had mistakenly used someone else's melody?
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