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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

I read years ago, and I can't find the source now, that Steve Howe was originally inspired by the Big Valley theme song for that section. I don't know who the source was and how reputable they were. And really, that pattern in the intro to the song has certainly had numerous variations that sound similar. Its not particularly unique, except in the context that Yes adapted it. 



Interesting. I recall Bill Bruford saying in multiple interviews that the intro to "Yours Is No Disgrace" was directly inspired by the theme from Bonanza, but I personally never thought it sounded similar to that, unlike this theme. Now I'm wondering if he just remembered the wrong Western TV show somehow.
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To anyone interrsted it's cleared. Mr Monkman wrote it. 

In His words: "Geoff has supplied an mp3 of the cassette (with a cue sheet
from his then-company HMM) and it's clearly a copy of our recording of
"Dawn of an Era". Aaron Harry, then at Bruton, tells me that they sent
round a few copies of tracks (presumably as-yet untitled) after the
recordings were made (in Summer, 1977 at Lansdowne Studios). On the cue
sheet it's simply entitled 'library track', while all Geoff's pieces and
ideas that precede it have a 'GDxx' tag (xx being a two digit number).
So there really doesn't seem to be any doubt about it - a simple mistake
so no hard feelings (hope Yes fans feel the same!)."

"I do actually remember writing it Smile HMM added it to the end of his tape, without making it clear"

quotations from page 20 and 22 here: https://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/27511-New-YES-album-quot-The-Quest-quot-out-1-Oct/page20


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Interesting. Just a mistake with Downes thinking it was an old composition of his. I wonder whether Monkman will be added for writing credit.
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Well, I hope Downes and Monkman are able to work out a royalties agreement. 
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What a silly story this has become. And what a fiasco for Yes, recently claiming that their next album would be all new material, and then teasing it with a track written in 1977 which appears to be a cover!

Monkman must be LHAO. I hope for Yes that they haven't printed all the booklets and other liner notes yet...

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Personally I'm fine with the now well evidenced idea that Downes may really and honestly have thought it was his own. Pity of course that there's no crime story and villain there, but very nice to have an explanation what happened that does Francis Monkman justice.
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Imagine if this story instead involved Roger Waters. Game over.
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This is a PR stunt whether intentional or not at this point, lmao.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Well, I hope Downes and Monkman are able to work out a royalties agreement. 
Downes has said on Twitter that it was "a simple error on my behalf" and the track will be credited as a Davison/Monkman/Downes composition.
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^That's the honorable thing to do. Good for them for working it out and admitting to a mistake.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Imagine if this story instead involved Roger Waters. Game over.

I know right? Roger waters is so hated lol 😂
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ROFLMAO, someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar....

"Geoff Downes said that Yes have updated songwriting credits on the new single "The Ice Bridge" after fans pointed out similarities with another song.

Downes plays a keyboard figure that mimics Francis Monkman's from "The Dawn of an Era," which opened the former Curved Air cofounder's 1978 solo album Energism. Downes said he found the music on an old work tape and mistakenly believed it was his own."



Edited by The Dark Elf - July 30 2021 at 16:57
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

ROFLMAO, someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar....

"Geoff Downes said that Yes have updated songwriting credits on the new single "The Ice Bridge" after fans pointed out similarities with another song.

Downes plays a keyboard figure that mimics Francis Monkman's from "The Dawn of an Era," which opened the former Curved Air cofounder's 1978 solo album Energism. Downes said he found the music on an old work tape and mistakenly believed it was his own."


There are two phenomena happening here IMHO and professional opinion (psych and health background):

1. Geoff Downes is actually mentally slipping

2. He's pretending since he's old he's forgetful and seeing how much bullsh*t he can get a pass on.

I say it's a combination of the two!

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...and to think, Yes kicked Ollie Wakeman out of the band for Downes??!  LOL
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I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!

Right you are!  They may as well call it the Steve Howe Ego Project!
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!

Right you are!  They may as well call it the Steve Howe Ego Project!


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!

Right you are!  They may as well call it the Steve Howe Ego Project!


been over for a long time for me--but liked a few things with the lineup with Benoit and Wakeman---just surprised Howe did it--he was always against making new music it was Squire who wanted to do new music---maybe they r keeping this alive to make some money for Squires family etc.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!
Isn't this the same thing people said about ELP? Are we going to have this same conversation after Genesis tours next? Am I seeing a pattern here? Inquiring minds want to know.
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^have no idea why Genesis is touring --Phil seems so fragile ---but unlike Yes when Genesis does play live the music sounds amazing---whether you like the songs they are playing or not.
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