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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20032 |
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Same rhythm but not the same notes.
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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Quite right. Howe has said they took them rhythm and changed the chords. I'm only referring to borrowing from a TV show theme.
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Ghost Whistler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 25 2014 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 313 |
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It's very easy to sniff and sneer but this is a decent track IMO. Light years better than Heaven And Earth.
Chris isn't coming back and none of them are getting younger. I think it bodes well for the album and I don't care if it sounds like a TV show no one watches anymore
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Tapfret ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Online Points: 8617 |
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I read years ago, and I can't find the source now, that Steve Howe was originally inspired by the Big Valley theme song for that section. I don't know who the source was and how reputable they were. And really, that pattern in the intro to the song has certainly had numerous variations that sound similar. Its not particularly unique, except in the context that Yes adapted it. Edited by Tapfret - July 25 2021 at 17:10 |
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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sadly the band needs JA--and Rick or Patrick to be interesting--but that will never happen. The fact that Anderson/Howe are still alive but hate each other is a prog tragedy.
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iluvmarillion ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 09 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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I listened to it. I actually thought it was very good. If the rest of the album is this good then I'm looking forward to buying it.
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iluvmarillion ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 09 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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Totally agree with you. If the complaint is that the melody line isn't original in that it reminds you of a TV show then I think it's the least of your worries. There is no such thing as an original melody. In 400 years of musical literature every melody on the musical scale has been used up.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
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Jon Anderson told that same story in his live "Voice of Yes" show in the Chicago suburbs, 5 August 2011. He gave a very enthusiastic telling of that story, even pretending to be riding a horse like a charging cowboy! The way Jon told it, they were all inspired by the song, not just Howe.
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Prog Zone ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 16 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 129 |
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Due to all the controversy surrounding Yes's "plagiarism" of Francis Monkman's The Dawn Of An Era, I thought it would be a good idea to suggest him as a new artist on the archives. Not exactly sure on his genre, but at this point I think he best fits in the Electronic Prog category. Fingers crossed!
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Wow, it really is IDENTICAL to the Invasion: UFO theme.
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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after many listens I know it won't hold my interest for long---it also sounds like they ripped off the Game of Thrones theme
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It's a decent track. I like it. That's enough for me!!!
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Prog Zone ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 16 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 129 |
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It's definitely an improvement over Heaven and Earth, but that doesn't say too much.
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Thank you for verifying. Good to know I am staving off dementia, so far.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
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Happy to help! I recorded this clip at the same show, Jon was brilliant! |
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I also found Davison's singing much better on this one. As you say, perhaps he's finally doing his own stuff instead of trying to imitate Anderson... there was sort of the same thing with Benoit, live he did seem to be strugling, but once he did the studio album without trying to reach some previously achieved notes, his singing really sounded so much more beautiful. Only, why didn't Davison achieve it on Heaven and Earth? |
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Online Points: 18942 |
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I didn't know the song was inspired by an old tv show. What I've been hearing elsewhere is that the song is "lifted" or "inspired" from an old tune by Francis Monkman. So maybe he stole it from the old British tv show first.
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The old TV show UFO from 1970 had a different theme song. Episode were compiled and repackaged for a movie called Invasion: UFO in 1980. Instead of using the original theme, it used the Monkman track. No lifting was done from the TV show. Adding to this is that Downes claims he wrote and put the original music on a showreel for library music in 1977. Monkman's album was released in 1978 on a label specializing in library music.
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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this is all a pitiful joke at this point.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
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This source speaks quite a bit about the Western TV show influence on their music including "Yours is No Disgrace," mentioning Howe, Anderson and Bruford. Steve refers to the Western TV show theme influence about 1:00 in... Edited by cstack3 - July 26 2021 at 23:13 |
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