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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wouldn't quite be the first time.

The opening to "Yours is No Disgraced" is borrowed from the theme to "Grandstand," a BBC sports program (listen at thirteen seconds in).


Same rhythm but not the same notes.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wouldn't quite be the first time.

The opening to "Yours is No Disgraced" is borrowed from the theme to "Grandstand," a BBC sports program (listen at thirteen seconds in).


Same rhythm but not the same notes.


Quite right.  Howe has said they took them rhythm and changed the chords.  I'm only referring to borrowing from a TV show theme. 
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It's very easy to sniff and sneer but this is a decent track IMO. Light years better than Heaven And Earth.

Chris isn't coming back and none of them are getting younger. I think it bodes well for the album and I don't care if it sounds like a TV show no one watches anymore
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wouldn't quite be the first time.

The opening to "Yours is No Disgraced" is borrowed from the theme to "Grandstand," a BBC sports program (listen at thirteen seconds in).



I read years ago, and I can't find the source now, that Steve Howe was originally inspired by the Big Valley theme song for that section. I don't know who the source was and how reputable they were. And really, that pattern in the intro to the song has certainly had numerous variations that sound similar. Its not particularly unique, except in the context that Yes adapted it. 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2021 at 19:21
sadly the band needs JA--and Rick or Patrick to be interesting--but that will never happen. The fact that Anderson/Howe are still alive but hate each other is a prog tragedy.
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Gave it just one listen, therefore I will describe it in just one word: boring!
I listened to it. I actually thought it was very good. If the rest of the album is this good then I'm looking forward to buying it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iluvmarillion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2021 at 22:49
Originally posted by Ghost Whistler Ghost Whistler wrote:

It's very easy to sniff and sneer but this is a decent track IMO. Light years better than Heaven And Earth.

Chris isn't coming back and none of them are getting younger. I think it bodes well for the album and I don't care if it sounds like a TV show no one watches anymore
Totally agree with you. If the complaint is that the melody line isn't original in that it reminds you of a TV show then I think it's the least of your worries. There is no such thing as an original melody. In 400 years of musical literature every melody on the musical scale has been used up. 
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

I read years ago, and I can't find the source now, that Steve Howe was originally inspired by the Big Valley theme song for that section. I don't know who the source was and how reputable they were. And really, that pattern in the intro to the song has certainly had numerous variations that sound similar. Its not particularly unique, except in the context that Yes adapted it.

Jon Anderson told that same story in his live "Voice of Yes" show in the Chicago suburbs, 5 August 2011.  He gave a very enthusiastic telling of that story, even pretending to be riding a horse like a charging cowboy!   The way Jon told it, they were all inspired by the song, not just Howe.  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog Zone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2021 at 23:54
Due to all the controversy surrounding Yes's "plagiarism" of Francis Monkman's The Dawn Of An Era, I thought it would be a good idea to suggest him as a new artist on the archives. Not exactly sure on his genre, but at this point I think he best fits in the Electronic Prog category. Fingers crossed!
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Wow, it really is IDENTICAL to the Invasion: UFO theme. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2021 at 12:29
after many listens I know it won't hold my interest for long---it also sounds like they ripped off the Game of Thrones theme LOL
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It's a decent track. I like it. That's enough for me!!!
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It's definitely an improvement over Heaven and Earth, but that doesn't say too much. 

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

I read years ago, and I can't find the source now, that Steve Howe was originally inspired by the Big Valley theme song for that section. I don't know who the source was and how reputable they were. And really, that pattern in the intro to the song has certainly had numerous variations that sound similar. Its not particularly unique, except in the context that Yes adapted it.

Jon Anderson told that same story in his live "Voice of Yes" show in the Chicago suburbs, 5 August 2011.  He gave a very enthusiastic telling of that story, even pretending to be riding a horse like a charging cowboy!   The way Jon told it, they were all inspired by the song, not just Howe.  

Thank you for verifying. Good to know I am staving off dementia, so far.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2021 at 17:18
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

I read years ago, and I can't find the source now, that Steve Howe was originally inspired by the Big Valley theme song for that section. I don't know who the source was and how reputable they were. And really, that pattern in the intro to the song has certainly had numerous variations that sound similar. Its not particularly unique, except in the context that Yes adapted it.

Jon Anderson told that same story in his live "Voice of Yes" show in the Chicago suburbs, 5 August 2011.  He gave a very enthusiastic telling of that story, even pretending to be riding a horse like a charging cowboy!   The way Jon told it, they were all inspired by the song, not just Howe.  

Thank you for verifying. Good to know I am staving off dementia, so far.

Happy to help!  I recorded this clip at the same show, Jon was brilliant! 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2021 at 19:50
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Comedic Relief:

https://www.reddit.com/r/yesbandcirclejerk/comments/oqhjrs/woah_new_yes_track_just_dropped_i_hope_this_one/




LOL  Jon Davison sounds much better on here... although it does make me think of another tune...


I agree about Davison, I think he is letting go of trying to imitate Jon Anderson and singing in his own style. 

This bit of JD's vocals reminds me of his vocal work on Glass Hammer's "Perilous," my favorite CD by that band. 

Downes, on the other hand, remains bad as always.  


I also found Davison's singing much better on this one. As you say, perhaps he's finally doing his own stuff instead of trying to imitate Anderson... there was sort of the same thing with Benoit, live he did seem to be strugling, but once he did the studio album without trying to reach some previously achieved notes, his singing really sounded so much more beautiful. Only, why didn't Davison achieve it on Heaven and Earth?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2021 at 20:55
I didn't know the song was inspired by an old tv show. What I've been hearing elsewhere is that the song is "lifted" or "inspired" from an old tune by Francis Monkman. So maybe he stole it from the old British tv show first. 





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The old TV show UFO from 1970 had a different theme song. Episode were compiled and repackaged for a movie called Invasion: UFO in 1980. Instead of using the original theme, it used the Monkman track. No lifting was done from the TV show. Adding to this is that Downes claims he wrote and put the original music on a showreel for library music in 1977. Monkman's album was released in 1978 on a label specializing in library music.
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this is all a pitiful joke at this point.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2021 at 23:07
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wouldn't quite be the first time.

The opening to "Yours is No Disgraced" is borrowed from the theme to "Grandstand," a BBC sports program (listen at thirteen seconds in).


Same rhythm but not the same notes.

This source speaks quite a bit about the Western TV show influence on their music including "Yours is No Disgrace," mentioning Howe, Anderson and Bruford. 


Steve refers to the Western TV show theme influence about 1:00 in...




Edited by cstack3 - July 26 2021 at 23:13
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