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Steve Wyzard 
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 Topic: If ELP are counted among the "Big Six"...Posted: July 14 2021 at 10:45 |
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...why do NONE of their albums rank any higher than #82 (the debut album) on this site?
Among the other "Big Five", all have albums in the Top Ten.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 11:15 |
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Because peoples 'OPINIONS' don't mean 5hit ! And that's what these ratings are, collective awareness or not. However, it is a 'FACT' that ELP were one of the most early innovators of a musical style that would go on to have an entire genre dedicated to it. Does that help?
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 11:15 |
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I personally don't take the collective rating too seriously ;) It's ELP's importance to the development of the genre that IMO makes it one of the "big" bands.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 11:41 |
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Neither do Kansas. Leftoverture just misses the top 100. Also, Marillion's highest is "only" number 70.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 11:46 |
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I've always liked ELP but I wouldn't rank any of their albums amongst my Top 100 prog favourites.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 12:01 |
That's why individuals rankings are meaningless, and overall rankings don't reflect ELP's significance in the early days of prog. My personal top 100 doesn't have any ELP or Genesis
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 12:07 |
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I imagine one of the reasons their albums aren't ranked too highly is because they tended to mix well loved epic songs with shorter silly songs/ballads. If PA rated songs instead of albums, I'm sure we'd see Tarkus up there with Supper's Ready and Close To The Edge.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 12:16 |
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Prog Archives is not the ultimate, defenitive opinion on prog, or progressive music. Also, the "Big Six" as they are known, were chosen even before the internet existed, what to speak of this website.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 13:14 |
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 13:46 |
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Popular as they are, I think they may have more detractors than the other biggies. Not sure why, but I would make a guess that there are some people going out of their way to downvote them, bringing their average down, to an extent that doesn’t happen with Yes, Genesis, etc. Just a hunch, but ELP polarizes people more than those other bands.
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^That's especially true in more recent years and with younger prog fans. The favorite older bands among younger prog fans seem to be King Crimson, Magma, Gentle Giant, VDGG and Camel. I suppose PG era Genesis too. Yes not so much. ELP would rank towards the bottom these days. I'm not saying everyone makes fun of them(although I'm sure some do) but I think many seem to be of the opinion that ELP almost single handedly gave prog a bad name(them and TFTO). ELP seem to be a "you had to be there" kind of band which is maybe at least partly why millenials and Gen Z er's don't get into them much (if at all). Older fans who grew up with them or heard them on classic rock radio typically are more tolerant although of course even some them aren't big fans. As they say, you can't please everyone.
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I think the big six concept had a lot to do with popularity and sales at the time. If it had more to do with innovation, VDGG and Gentle Giant would likely take the spots of a couple of the bands in it now. It just so happens that, decades later, the majority of people on a prog website don't rate ELP's albums as highly as those of the other big six, probably due to a slight general change in taste away from the over the top and bombastic towards the beautiful and well composed.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 15:57 |
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I don't think their sound still resonates with everyone---and hasn't held up the way other bands did....sounds more dated. Nor did it influence other bands. I mean they were a live monster show which keep them going for years. Personally I need a guitar in a band because otherwise the sound is a tad boring.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 16:35 |
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 17:51 |
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the PA top 100 is just another chart to me, which means I don't care about it a whole lot. Prog music may have figured big on the charts in the golden era but even then many fine bands never sold much.
All that said, while I have never liked ELP, I do acknowledge that they had a big role in the development of prog (in addition to huge album sales). But of the big 6, they probably hold the least favour among prog fans today. Why that is, I don't know...is there sound more "dated", or retro in a negative way? Are fewer fans interested in the type of virtuosity and showmanship they espouse? The other members of the big 6 are more about the ensemble for the most part, even when ruled with an iron fist like JT. It's interesting to me from an academic point of view.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 18:00 |
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ELP were huge in the 70s. Some stadium shows...major Colosseums. I can't name six other 70s prog bands that were that big. Sure, Yes, Tull, and Floyd were bigger. That said, I don't think King Crimson or VDGG were as popular...back then.
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Posted: July 14 2021 at 18:26 |
You are correct. ELP had 9 gold albums in the U.S. from 1970 to 1978. King Crimson had one gold album in its entire 50+ year existence. VdGG probably still owes money for studio time rental from its first album.
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I personally love ELP, and easily rate their first LP, Tarkus, and Brain Salad Surgery in my top 100 prog albums, but I definitely have noticed a tendency for people's eyes to glaze over a bit when I play their tracks to friends. I think a lot of it is (as mentioned above) the lack of prominent guitar on a lot of tracks (I'll admit I feel this way sometimes, too---it's why I still have a hard time getting into Wind and Wuthering and ...And Then There Were Three by Genesis), but some of Emerson's keyboard experiments also have a tendency to go too far beyond the comfort level of a lot of first-time listeners. Of course, this is mitigated somewhat on their live performances, which is why I'll usually take the live version of Hoedown over the studio cut.
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