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Is Yes really Yes anymore?

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Poll Question: Do you consider the current lineup of Yes to really be Yes?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sacro_Porgo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 12:09
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The question is when is a band no longer a band? I'm sure there are some others bands knocking around with no original members, does that mean they're not the band? Is a band name just a franchise?
An excellent question. For me, generally, a band is still a band when one or two key members are original, especially with one creative member like Ian Anderson. But that falls apart for me, regarding Tull, with the exclusion of Martin Barre recently. So, I don't know. Confused
 
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For me it's about having the right combination of players. Take Judas Priest for example. Obviously it would be preferable for KK and Glenn to both still be in the band full time, but given the bad break up between KK and the rest of them, and given Glenn's health issues, that's not going to happen. On the other hand, Ian Hill has been there through the entire band's career, Halford only missed two albums and has been back for about 20 years now, and they always had a hard time keeping drummers (even in the classic days) so having a drummer who played on at least one classic album and has been with the band ever since also makes sense. On top of that, KK's replacement (Ritchie Faulkner) has been nothing but kind and dazzling in the role, also helping to write some incredible new music on Firepower, and Glenn's part time replacement happens to also be one of Priest's most classic producers, Andy Sneap. So even though only two band members are original, all of them seem to have earned their place on stage in my eyes, not to mention Glenn isn't fully gone and still writes new material and plays on new albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 13:10
Chris Squire was the ONLY constant member on EVERY single Yes album until his passing and he obviously owned the copyright for the band name as well so for me it doesn't matter which rendition of Yes you consider whether it's the psych beginnings, the prog pinnacle or the Rabin pop 80s, Squire always had the last decision in the band's affairs. As far as i'm concerned his passing marked the end of the band for me. Same goes for Gong when Daevid Allen departed. I don't understand why they can't just all play together under a new band name. Yes Legacy or something like that. Soft Machine was brilliant with all those variations of the parent band name.


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You've got the guitarist that arrived on the 3rd album, the drummer from the 6th album (and he needs an oxygen mask and a cane from what I've heard), and a bunch of other guys that straggled in a decade or more later. 

The legendary bassist is dead
You don't have the iconic lead singer who helped start the band
The first, second and third keyboardists are not participating
The first guitarist ain't around
The better drummer is not part of the group either (okay, he left after CTTE)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shadowyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 15:32
Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

This clone band of Yes should change their name .... to "No"


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 17:38
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Chris Squire was the ONLY constant member on EVERY single Yes album until his passing and he obviously owned the copyright for the band name as well so for me it doesn't matter which rendition of Yes you consider whether it's the psych beginnings, the prog pinnacle or the Rabin pop 80s, Squire always had the last decision in the band's affairs. As far as i'm concerned his passing marked the end of the band for me. Same goes for Gong when Daevid Allen departed. I don't understand why they can't just all play together under a new band name. Yes Legacy or something like that. Soft Machine was brilliant with all those variations of the parent band name.

I get it but it's not like there aren't long time members in Yes now. I would say a better case would be for Tangerine Dream to change their name. After Edgar Froese passed away they shouldn't have continued calling themselves TD but in this case(unlike with Yes) no member was in the band in the 20th century.


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Basically Yes are a tribute band to 70's/80's Yes. When you stop producing new music you lose your relevancy as a band and then people only pay money to see you because it brings back memories of the music they loved as a youth. In the case of Yes their last imaginative album was Magnification. Fly From Here is a reasonable album but consists largely of cut offs from the Drama album. You know what you're getting from a Yes concert. Nothing much has changed in the last 40 years - it's music off the Yes Album, Fragile and Close To The Edge. People complain about Neil Young concerts but the good thing about them is you don't know what you're going to get from a Neil Young concert. As an adventurous music goer I'd prefer to risk my chances at a Neil Young concert than a Yes concert, but a lot of others prefer the nostalgia thing to anything that takes them out of their comfort zone. Personally if I was Steve Howe I'd do similar to what Martin Barre did. Fold up the band presently called Yes but keep the members of the band intact and change the name of the band to the Steve Howe band. Draw on all his solo albums for material including Bob Dylan influences, Chet Atkins and Folk influences and some of the more obvious Yes material. If he does that I'd gladly pay money to see the band because they're such fabulous musicians.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 19:11
^There's nothing on Fly from Here that appeared on the Drama album. The Fly From Here track(a shorter version) was originally recorded around the time of Drama but it's not on the original album. 

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^He said "Cut Offs" not "Cuts Off"
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I think Yes should become a Tubes cover band. THAT i'd pay for LOL

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sacro_Porgo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 21:32
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I think Yes should become a Tubes cover band. THAT i'd pay for LOL

Well hang on, Geoff Downes is in the band, how about rebranding as The Buggles?
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I think Yes should become a Tubes cover band. THAT i'd pay for LOL

Well hang on, Geoff Downes is in the band, how about rebranding as The Buggles?


Perfect, but they could be the Yuggles instead LOL

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sacro_Porgo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 22:44
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I think Yes should become a Tubes cover band. THAT i'd pay for LOL

Well hang on, Geoff Downes is in the band, how about rebranding as The Buggles?


Perfect, but they could be the Yuggles instead LOL

Or since Steve Howe is there too, what about Basia?
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

When you stop producing new music you lose your relevancy as a band ...


I agree 100%, and now Yes are finally producing new music again.

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Years ago, I was rather excited when Yes included Ollie Wakeman on keys....I thought that "passing the baton" in this way conferred promise. 

However, I was not a fan of bringing in tribute-band players, as it seems to be a rather "cheap" ploy to keep the original sound.  I liked Benoit David as a person, but did not think his stage demeanor (twirling all over the place) was a very dignified look for Yes.  I liked Jon Davidson with Glass Hammer, but he doesn't impress me with Yes. 

A far more "progressive" approach would have been for the band to bring in a different type of singer...I always thought that a woman vocalist would be a nice change of pace for Yes, and considering how lovely the Yes songs sung by Annie Haslam ("Turn of the Century") and Christina Booth ("Wondrous Stories") turned out, it could have invigorated a new generation of Yes fans that would be more inclusive of ladies. 

This is what might have been.  Alas, I fear that Yes is dead. 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The Fly From Here track(a shorter version) was originally recorded around the time of Drama but it's not on the original album. 

It is on The Word Is Live box set.
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Steve Howe joined the band some 50 years ago, and participated on all of the classic albums from The Yes Album to Drama, and then again in the 90's and beyond. Alan White has been on all Yes albums since he joined in 1972. Geoff Downes goes back to the Drama album in 1980, and the upcoming album will be his fourth studio release with the band. Billy Sherwood has been contributing on and off for 30 years, as song-writer, session man, extra live guitarist, producer/mixer/engineer, and now full-time bassist, etc.

Yet, some people here claim that this line-up doesn't have the right to the band name! Come on, people! How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man? Aren't you setting the requirements a little high?

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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


Steve Howe joined the band some 50 years ago, and participated on all of the classic albums from The Yes Album to Drama, and then again in the 90's and beyond. Alan White has been on all Yes albums since he joined in 1972. Geoff Downes goes back to the Drama album in 1980, and the upcoming album will be his fourth studio release with the band. Billy Sherwood has been contributing on and off for 30 years, as song-writer, session man, extra live guitarist, producer/mixer/engineer, and now full-time bassist, etc.

Yet, some people here claim that this line-up doesn't have the right to the band name! Come on, people! How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man? Aren't you setting the requirements a little high?

Fair point, the main problem for most people is that lack of the "big hitters" Squire, Anderson and RW. Whilst I do miss Anderson, I'm happy to give this album a chance and not pre-judge it.
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My apologies, but Nick Mason's 'A Saucerful of Secrets' project offers an excellent insight into this particular conundrum.  They really have captured the early Pink Floyd sound based on the calm guidance of just one original member in a way the band would not have done even if Rick Wright was still around.  Steve Hackett is also doing this with his Genesis repertoire but this has not been the case with Yes.  The nearest thing in recent years that sounded successful, to my ears at least, was the Anderson/Wakeman/Rabin set. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2021 at 08:23
Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


Steve Howe joined the band some 50 years ago, and participated on all of the classic albums from The Yes Album to Drama, and then again in the 90's and beyond. Alan White has been on all Yes albums since he joined in 1972. Geoff Downes goes back to the Drama album in 1980, and the upcoming album will be his fourth studio release with the band. Billy Sherwood has been contributing on and off for 30 years, as song-writer, session man, extra live guitarist, producer/mixer/engineer, and now full-time bassist, etc.

Yet, some people here claim that this line-up doesn't have the right to the band name! Come on, people! How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man? Aren't you setting the requirements a little high?


Nobody said they do not have the right to call themselves "Yes", just that the current line-up lacks credibility for many. That's all. 

I'm surprised the band is not called "Steve Howe's Yes". 
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