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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:


We sort artists by name without using any categories. For classical music we use the names of the composers. Thus Johann Sebastian Bach and his sons and other relatives reside peacefully between B For Bang and Baden-Powell.

Folders in my laptop are organized by genre - prog is organized in three folders - classic prog (late 60s to late 70s), prog & related (1980s to know) and progressive metal. 

Everything else is easy to classify (rock, pop, hard rock, blues, jazz, metal etc.)

I don't agree about "easy to classify"; there is so much music that is a mix of several genres and just can't be classified. Just look at the discussions in this forum about "Is this artist prog"?

And why does it have to be classifiable at all? All that matters is that it is good music. So we avoid the problem completely and just sort by name. It also makes it much more interesting to see the reaction when first time visitors to our house take a look at our collection.

the alphabetic order does not work for me LOL

if i think an artist is progressive, it'll go in the prog folder, simple as that. 
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I have never in my life considered ordering my cds in any way other than alphabetically. It still amazes me that people are able to do order their collection in any other way. I would never be able to find anything!  😄



The same with my CD collection - alphabetical by artist, and then albums ordered *chronologically for each artist.

*sticking to original release dates, regardless of whether it is a reissue.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ To me the JRF category is more descriptive of the electric Miles period than Prog Related is, which is one reason why I would not support the move into PR (I would consider it if a strong case was made and the JRF team unanimously supported it -- course the JRF team decided to add it to begin with).  One could say that lot of JRF is not Prog proper, and its here as part of the umbrella.  While I wouldn't say this is true (don't know), it has been said that the JRF category was basically created for Mahavishnu Orchestra (add Weather Report, I would think, and...).
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Yes I have my CDs and Albums sorted alphabetically as well.  Easiest way to find the CD you want.  But when I started to rip them into MusicBee almost two years ago I have them sorted by my musical moods as well for easy play lists while I am working from home or for my sticks for driving.

Now that has been the most painful thing I have done in many years to RIP and catalog.  I sometimes wish I never started with it.  What's worse is you realize you have gaps that want completing and you start spending a bunch of money to close those gaps.  But heck music is an enjoyable hobby right?
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^ The perils of being a collector (as opposed to a fan) eh?
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ The only Miles Davis album I take issue with in the top 100 is Kind of Blue.  This is an issue with our complete discography policy as well that we label acts not albums.  I think Miles Davis better suited to our JRF category than Prog Related for the late 60s through mid-70s period that he was included in PA for.  Herbie Hancock has a similar case.  

It's the same case with Chick, yet he remains absent. If we get stingy about jazz artists that only dabbled in fusion for a brief period in the 70s, then realistically, many of these artists should be gone (or relegated to Related if the standards for that grouping were to be expanded to include jazz musicians). And in Chick's case, he remained in a "progressive" realm (in the context of jazz AND jazz fusion) for a much larger portion of his discography than the aforementioned two giants. That being said, I realize this involves difficult discussions and debates, so I'm not really complaining. Just observing.

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

All that matters is that it is good music.


Amen, sister!
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You should have a look at our library; the books in it are not sorted at all. The reason is that if we arranged them in some order we would soon have to start to move thousands of books around on the shelves because they would be filled. So we just buy new shelves whenever necessary.


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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

All that matters is that it is good music.


Amen, sister!

well, obviously... LOL
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

A couple of years ago I would have been all over this thread...but man I’m tired of filosofying over stickers. Just looking at this thread makes me want to take a nap
My apologies to anyone out there who feels the stickers are integral to their world view and order of the very same.

Yes, but, language is one of my favorite tools to prove that I am human!Embarrassed At least, I think I'm human. Let me see, I'll have to consult my Descartes... 
Oops! Perhaps that's too big of a leap/extrapolation! 
...If I'm not human, then what am I? And why do have this capacity to express myself using linguistics and vocabularies?
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I have never in my life considered ordering my cds in any way other than alphabetically. It still amazes me that people are able to do order their collection in any other way. I would never be able to find anything!  😄



The same with my CD collection - alphabetical by artist, and then albums ordered *chronologically for each artist.

*sticking to original release dates, regardless of whether it is a reissue.

We sort alphabetically within the artists too.


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^ The perils of being a collector (as opposed to a fan) eh?

Yes that's the problem with collecting....you never stop!
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I am still mustering up the courage to alphabetise my collection. I figure it’ll take a weekend...and well I’ve had order before...until it wasn’t order and stuff just managed to mingle with each other and taking vacations in altogether different parts of the collection. Kendrick Lamar fx is currently hanging out between Talking Heads and Embryo

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^ The perils of being a collector (as opposed to a fan) eh?

Yes that's the problem with collecting....you never stop!


Exactly, once the collecting bug bites you just want more and more, almost like an addiction.  What always intrigues me about collecting any artist is rooting out the 'rarities' which is not so difficult these days with such stuff often being thrown in as extras on modern CD reissues and compilations.
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

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^ The perils of being a collector (as opposed to a fan) eh?

Yes that's the problem with collecting....you never stop!


Exactly, once the collecting bug bites you just want more and more, almost like an addiction.  What always intrigues me about collecting any artist is rooting out the 'rarities' which is not so difficult these days with such stuff often being thrown in as extras on modern CD reissues and compilations.

Yeah... but it's what you end up doing.  Why buy a box set when you have all the albums...but you buy it because of the previously unreleased otherwise you feel you are incomplete.  Crazy really right :)
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Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

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^ The perils of being a collector (as opposed to a fan) eh?

Yes that's the problem with collecting....you never stop!


Exactly, once the collecting bug bites you just want more and more, almost like an addiction.  What always intrigues me about collecting any artist is rooting out the 'rarities' which is not so difficult these days with such stuff often being thrown in as extras on modern CD reissues and compilations.

Yeah... but it's what you end up doing.  Why buy a box set when you have all the albums...but you buy it because of the previously unreleased otherwise you feel you are incomplete.  Crazy really right :)


The oldest trick in the book - get your devoted fans to purchase stuff they already own by chucking in a few rarities... or am I just being cynical?
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Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

^ The perils of being a collector (as opposed to a fan) eh?

Yes that's the problem with collecting....you never stop!


Exactly, once the collecting bug bites you just want more and more, almost like an addiction.  What always intrigues me about collecting any artist is rooting out the 'rarities' which is not so difficult these days with such stuff often being thrown in as extras on modern CD reissues and compilations.

Yeah... but it's what you end up doing.  Why buy a box set when you have all the albums...but you buy it because of the previously unreleased otherwise you feel you are incomplete.  Crazy really right :)


The oldest trick in the book - get your devoted fans to purchase stuff they already own by chucking in a few rarities... or am I just being cynical?

No, you nailed it.
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To the off-shoot guys: I made a new thread about music collecting
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126620&PID=5905881#5905881
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I'm 29 and I don't see those bands as prog, NiN is industrial rock and Sigur Ros post rock. You can ask fans of those bands and they might not be into prog at all. And they will hardly mention prog if you ask the genre of music they make. I think stuff like Supertramp, Moody Blues, Radiohead, early Queen, etc, might be debated or fall into "crossover" prog, but those artists are simply a different genre.

 

NIN has gone beyond industrial, they did ambient/electronic, atmospheric music, I don't mind them being here on PA.

As for Sigur Ros, post rock is a prog subgenre, isn't it? No problem for them being on PA or being considered a prog band. What am I missing here? Confused



Post rock here features as a subgenre, but I don't think most people consider it so. I love Sigur Ros and GY!BE among others, but they're usually considered simply post rock. Not prog. Different is the case of, say, canterbury which is definitely a sub-genre or prog, or zehul too, or krautrock. So Caravan, Soft Machine, Magma, Neu, Can, Faust, etc. Most would agree they're prog bands. Post rock I think most people consider it a genre in its own right, in fact I was surprised when I saw it in the website first LOL. Same with the black metal/post metal stuff like Agalloch. I don't mind these bands being here, I just find it odd that these bands are not only in the website, but they're also listed as prog bands, while many suggestions of bands to be included not even as prog, but as prog-related are constantly denied. I mean bands like Boston or Dire Straits for instance. I think Smashing Pumpkins and Wire were suggested too more than once. It seems that sometimes they're very liberal in the definition of prog and sometimes they're very strict in what even considers "prog-related", NOT even prog.
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm currently in the middle of adding Van Morrison to my fourth prog channel, so I can hardly complain about any non-prog artists who don't belong on ProgArchives. Smile


If the music is good, does it really matter how we classify it?
No, not really. I have Deacon Blue and Prefab Sprout lined up for Prog Britannia 5, simply because they both make good music. Smile
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