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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

ELP: Brain Salad Surgery - Offending song = "Benny the Bouncer"
 
Nah, but I will offer up ELP: Tarkus - Offending song = "Are You Ready Eddy"
 
 
Other examples I have in mind are:
 
Hawkwind: Warrior On The Edge Of Time - "Kings Of Speed", which seems out of place on the album.
 
Van der Graaf Generator: World Record - "Wondering" (although the ending of "Meurglys III (The Songwriters Guild)" does linger on a bit too long)
 
Univers Zero: Uzed - the ending of "Emmanations" is way too long.
 
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard: Polygondwanaland - "The Fourth Colour"
 
 


Edited by I prophesy disaster - June 05 2021 at 11:08
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

sometimes many of them are doing it on purpose because folks take them way more seriously than they do themselves.


YOU are the one that is taking some things TOO seriously here... Your "hi"s don't compensate for your discourtesy, your exclamations don't fortify your weak arguments...

Sorry but, we are sharing our subjective views here. I think there are good and bad songs. Sometimes an artist intends to compose a good song, but fails in that. Did you hear the term "intentional fallacy"? 

Your views are your own and sharing them is totally cool; but your obstinacy in trying to force your viewpoint upon the others is an element of displeasure, at least for me, here.



Actually, while Pedro often can be quite rude, I don’t think he was here at all. Your response, on the other hand, is rather rude, and while I found no element of displeasure in what Pedro wrote, your response really rubs me up the wrong way. Oh wow! It’s almost like we all experience things differently! 

I agree with Pedro here, and I don’t think it’s taking things too seriously - so much as pointing out the choice of words is pretty rubbish for this post. This post is not identifying bad songs. It is identifying only songs that people don’t like. That’s not the same thing. Are there any bad songs? Well, ultimately the answer is no. As Pedro says, there is none.

There is no one objective criteria by which you can identify whether a song is good or bad. There are several ways that you could decide whether a song is good or bad, but you’d first have to put up the criteria by which you are judging the song. But change the criteria, and that can change the judgement. A song could be bad according to one way of measuring what is good, and good by another.

Now, if this post was about songs people don’t like, on albums they do, and Pedro came in and said what he just said (and I’ll be the first to admit, I suspect he would do just that), then you might have more of a reason to be upset. But I think a lot of people here get upset over what Pedro says unnecessarily. When he’s rude (and he can be), then I can understand replying in kind. But most of the time, it’s surely easier to ignore what he says, if it upsets you. In this case, it is you who appears rude, and not Pedro. (From my point of view….)
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^ Where did I say that moshkito was "rude"?

Did I ever claim that I was polite?

Do you really think that he is not taking such things AND himself too seriously?

Do you know what discourtesy means?

Sad that this guy, sad that people think this way... This is discourtesy, and that forum member is always doing that.

One can say "bad" to a song or anything. And people who DON'T take such SUBJECTIVE utterings too seriously and literally, would understand that one thing is bad FOR THAT PERSON.

Oh what a bad movie that was!

So I must always explain that it is bad FOR ME?

Sorry but this is too ridiculous...
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Where did I say that moshkito was "rude"?

Did I ever claim that I was polite?

Do you really think that he is not taking such things AND himself too seriously?

Do you know what discourtesy means?

Sad that this guy, sad that people think this way... This is discourtesy, and that forum member is always doing that.

One can say "bad" to a song or anything. And people who DON'T take such SUBJECTIVE utterings too seriously and literally, would understand that one thing is bad FOR THAT PERSON.

Oh what a bad movie that was!

So I must always explain that it is bad FOR ME?

Sorry but this is too ridiculous...

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The Gold Its in the.... def fits

Song For America - Lonely Street

Islands - Prelude (Song of the Gulls)

Breathless - Rainbows End (others will disagree LOL)

Rain Dances - Highways of the Sun

The Light (Spock's Beard) - The Water

Return to Forever - What Game Shall We Play Today

Burn - What's Goin' On Here

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

ELP: Brain Salad Surgery - Offending song = "Benny the Bouncer"
 
Nah, but I will offer up ELP: Tarkus - Offending song = "Are You Ready Eddy"
 
 
Other examples I have in mind are:
 
Hawkwind: Warrior On The Edge Of Time - "Kings Of Speed", which seems out of place on the album.
 
Van der Graaf Generator: World Record - "Wondering" (although the ending of "Meurglys III (The Songwriters Guild)" does linger on a bit too long)
 
Univers Zero: Uzed - the ending of "Emmanations" is way too long.
 
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard: Polygondwanaland - "The Fourth Colour"
 
 

I was thinking of mentioning Polygondwanaland. However, none of the songs are bad in my opinion, but by the time I reach Tetrachromacy and to a slightly lesser degree, Searching, it feels just a little too samey to some of the previous tracks. I actually dig the Fourth Colour quite a bit, especially the main riff, but I don't think it's one of the best songs on the album. Not huge on the fake fadeout it does, I think they could've wrapped the album a little better. But I still love me some Polygondwanaland, a must hear for any modern prog fan despite a few blips.


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'Giant's The Missing Piece with Betcha Thought We Couldn't Do It. I know, I know - good album but not great.

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

[QUOTE=Steve Wyzard]Van der Graaf Generator: World Record - "Wondering"
I disagree!
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

'Giant's The Missing Piece with Betcha Thought We Couldn't Do It. I know, I know - good album but not great.

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Yes has had their share of stinkers! 

Off the top of my head, I'd say "Don't Kill the Whale" from Tormato.  I find the studio version uninspired and insipid. 

However, they always picked it up in concert, and "Whale" became one of my favorite live Yes tunes!

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Originally posted by tigerfeet tigerfeet wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

These are the first I can think of:
Pink Floyd - Piper: "Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk"
Pink Floyd - Obscured By Clouds: "The Gold It's In the..."

Interesting!  What did you not like about those two songs ? I can surmise for "The Gold It's in the... " but not for "Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk"


"The Gold It's In the..." sounds to me like a rather clumsy attempt at making a straight forward rock song, and I don't think their sound really fits that style. "Stethoscope": I find the composition pretty unimaginative compared to those written by Syd Barrett. Roger Waters would improve a lot as a songwriter on the next albums.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Originally posted by tigerfeet tigerfeet wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

These are the first I can think of:
Pink Floyd - Piper: "Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk"
Pink Floyd - Obscured By Clouds: "The Gold It's In the..."

Interesting!  What did you not like about those two songs ? I can surmise for "The Gold It's in the... " but not for "Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk"


"The Gold It's In the..." sounds to me like a rather clumsy attempt at making a straight forward rock song, and I don't think their sound really fits that style. "Stethoscope": I find the composition pretty unimaginative compared to those written by Syd Barrett. Roger Waters would improve a lot as a songwriter on the next albums.

I thought similar about "The Gold it's in the ....". However, I always thought that Piper was 100% perfect so just surprised to see the Stethescope was picked and wondered why. After listening to the album today if i had to pick the "one" inferior song it would probably be that song too, so i ended up agreeing with both those PF picks of yours Wink
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Pink Floyd - The Endless River: "Louder Than Words"

It's a good song as such, but in a very wrong place at the end a perfectly good ambient album. 


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These threads always start out with Moonchild....buy maybe I missed it
Anyhoo..I always found it amusing to see how many folks would go completely crazy about say In The Court Of The Chinsome Kid and The Jam Lies Down on Broadway...while at the same time tearing both Moonchild and The Waiting Room a new one
‘The Fing Mingsome debut is just a masterpiece of pork....but yeah sure something like 12 minutes of it is absolute trash!’

Hmm...I can think of the reverse situation! The Enid’s The Seed and the Sower. Lacklustre album...but man that ending track Reverberations is just goosebumps city.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

These threads always start out with Moonchild....buy maybe I missed it
Anyhoo..I always found it amusing to see how many folks would go completely crazy about say In The Court Of The Chinsome Kid and The Jam Lies Down on Broadway...while at the same time tearing both Moonchild and The Waiting Room a new one
‘The Fing Mingsome debut is just a masterpiece of pork....but yeah sure something like 12 minutes of it is absolute trash!’

Hmm...I can think of the reverse situation! The Enid’s The Seed and the Sower. Lacklustre album...but man that ending track Reverberations is just goosebumps city.

"Moonchild" is the best track on the album in question. I am totally serious about this. what the band is doing in the instrumental section is trying to put the lyrics into music. not necessarily in the order of appearance though; this is dream logic.

you can clearly hear this in several passages; the "playing hide and seek with the ghosts of dawn", "dropping circle stones on a sundial" and "waiting for a smile from a sunchild" passages are the most obvious ones to spot. the last line I mentioned is a metaphor for the sunrise, and what does the band play at the end of the track? a C-Major chord. in classical music the C-Major chord is always used when a composer tries to depict sunrise. examples are Haydn's "Die Schöpfung", Strauss' "Also sprach Zarathustra" or Grieg's "Peer Gynt suite"


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Genesis ruined a perfect record w "More Fool Me" on SEBTP.

They should have listened to Rush and not been a prog band.

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I can't stand 'Violin' on Kate Bush's otherwise lovely Never For Ever.
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I genuinely love "Moonchild". Especially the instrumental section. It is very poetic in my experience.
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Wishbone Ash - Pilgrimage: Where Were You Tomorrow
Neal Morse Band - The Grand Experiment: Agenda
Yes - The Yes Album: The Clap
Camel - Moonmadness: Aristellus




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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

These are the first I can think of:

The Police - Synchronicity: "Mother"
The Clash - Sandinista: "If Music Could Talk"
Sigur Rós - Ágætis byrjun: "Olsen Olsen"
Pink Floyd - Piper: "Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk"
Pink Floyd - Obscured By Clouds: "The Gold It's In the..."
Radiohead - The Bends: "Black Star"
The Beatles - The Beatles: "Obla di Obla da"
Genesis - Lamb: "The Colony of Slippermen"
The Who - By Numbers: "Squeeze Box"
The Who - Who Are You: "Had Enough"
Queen - A Day At the Races: "Drowse"



That's actually one of my favorite songs on that album. To me the only song even approaching being weak on that is My Iron Lung. I know most will disagree and it's all subjective, but yeah I like Black Star a lot.
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