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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

 
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Once I met a guy who hated Camel just because he approached their music with The Single Factor.

I think this is a good reason for writing low-rated reviews

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I don't think so. An explanation would be better of the material, and maybe ranking it low makes the band not look as good as they are ... specially when it might have been the record company trying to get an extra buck, and the band had to let it go ... maybe to finish off a contract they didn't even want!

I just would not do a review ... basically if the albums are not worth a review and there are not many compared to the other albums, I would think that is a good signal that something is not right on that album ... but in my case I won't do albums or bands I am not passionate about.
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I really like the Strawbs' Bursting at the Seams album and gave it a 4-star rating recently, which probably comes as no surprise when I'm often criticised for overrating albums. Tongue

Bursting at the Seams is, for me, clearly the weakest album Strawbs released between From the Witchwood and Ghosts.
The good (Tears and Pavan, Down by the Sea, Flying) is magnificent, but the bad (Part of the Union, Thank You, The River) is dire. I'd rate it 3*.

But to suggest that the wheels fell off when Wakeman left is utterly absurd when the band released an utter masterpiece like Grave New World without him.

Strawbs caught lightning in a bottle on Bursting, an effortlessly accomplished blend of prog and pop,  with pklenty of the group's folk roots still on display.  I happen to like everything on it except for the closing number which is obviously throw away.  4 songwriters, 4 vocalists, mellotron, banjo and sitar, hard rock, ballads, and epics.  Even the 2 tracks that were not part of the original LP are excellent, indicating just how creatively bursting the band was at this time.  I think any of their albums from Grave New World thru Ghosts could be considered their best (sorry to Hercules and Sean but I don't think Witchwood is quite as strong), and there are compelling arguments for choosing "Bursting" if you are not insistent on wall to wall prog but instead see the blend as a strength not a weakness.  

But on to a few of my 1 star reviews.  I have about 25 of them.  here are a few of my favourites

Jade Warrior - At Peace
Now for my first review on meditationmusicarchives, I will be discussing this 1986 album that went unreleased for a few years by one-off British duo JADE WARRIOR. Apart from the first track, which actually has a few clips of discernible melody congealed in its interstices, this is an ideal album to which to meditate, to drift off and be certain that nothing untoward will banish your mantra, or whatever you're using to stay on point. The ambient arrangements are gently imparted on amorphous synths, synthy flutes, and fluty synths, with loooooong loooong notes with no beginning and no end, never wavering thank Buddha. A few nature sounds ensure that you will be transported back to the last time you camped outdoors, but will act as calamine lotion to whatever bug bites you might have endured in passing. I would even add that one could overlay guided meditation imagery on "At Peace" without disturbing the titular promise one bit. Don't worry, there are ZERO drums to unbliss you! 4 stars for the opening track and 5 stars for the closing 2 tracks for a 4.5 star rating.......

Wait what? This isn't MMA? And JADE WARRIOR is a venerable prog rock group? Someone wake me now! No, let me sleep, it feels soooooooo gooooood. I'll rate this when I'm awake and can feel at peace with my choice.


Tuatha de Danann-Trova di Danu
I am a staunch supporter of the "non traditional marriage" of celtic folk with rock music, even hard rock. Over the years, mostly British Isles bands have been the finest proponents of this blend - POGUES, RUNRIG, MEN THEY COULDN'T HANG, WATERBOYS, and OYSTERBAND all come to mind, as much for their political and human interest themes that transcended the usual drunken bar fight lyrics as for their considerable musicality. On the other hand relatively few bands convincingly melded metal to folk. The best of these I have heard is MAGO DE OZ from Spain, to whom TUATHA DE DANANN owes the greatest debt of gratitude. However based on this disk, I doubt that MAGO DE OZ is much flattered by the imitation.

For every poignant RUNRIG anthem there is a tepid WOLFSTONE regurgitation; for every James Joyce rivaling POGUES romp is a warmed over hand me down from TEMPEST. For every well sequenced and executed ballad or metal fest by MAGO DE OZ is a frenetic and soulless ballad or metal fest (both sound pretty much the same anyway) by TUATHA DE DANANN that conveys a failure to assimilate the virtues of the folk genre prior to alloying it. Most of this is a crass and hard to forgive exercise in amplifying and speeding up jigs or reels, or dressing a death growl in a kilt. Songs like "Bella Nature", "Lover of the Queen", "Land's Revenge" and "Arrival" are even worse than that and essentially torturous. Sometimes after a minute or so of tentative intro, they realize they have locked themselves in and the only way out is with a hammer and a groan. The exceptions would be the lighter "Land of Youth", the guttural but rousing "Believe it's True" and the atypical and more traditionally celtic title cut with female vocals. But the damage inflicted by the worst this group has to offer neutralizes these gains many times over.

Perhaps the band's inactivity since 2004 means that it has been offered as a sacrifice to Danu, the water goddess from which the it derives its name, and she has accepted selflessly for the benefit of bands like DANU and DE DANANN, not to mention listeners like me.

NEKTAR - Magic is a Child

Whatever distinctiveness NEKTAR might have claimed in their earlier years had been vanishing for a couple of releases, and their main calling card was Roy Albrighton, who left after "Recycled". A couple of years later, with a new guitarist Dave Nelson, they emerged with more democratic structure and their first album with no redeeming qualities.

The 1970s have a bad reputation among some. While some of this rap is unjustified, a listen to "Magic is a Child" points out all the pitfalls of a decade growing long in the tooth. Indeed, this could have been produced by any number of non progressive 1970s bands, most of them one-offs. This was music nobody wanted, and it's safe to say that only NEKTAR's pedigree saved it from complete obscurity. But that reputation was built on their first few albums, particularly "Remember the Future", and this 1977 disk bears utterly no resemblance to that classic. Gone are the sunshiney melodies, harmonic riffs, fantastic lyrics and interconnected themes. All that remains are rote 1970s guitar solos, trite tunes, faux-rousing choruses and ineffective and tasteless humour. Even the "harpsichord" in the title cut sounds treated and released.

After I scored with "Remember the Future", I kept looking in vain for some other sign of the force behind that concept, and kept being disappointed, but the search ended here for good. "Magic is a Child" only its mother could love.





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I have given a few albums the 2-star treatment, namely 'Non Stop' by FSB, 'The Cocoon' by Richard Henshall, 'Dispelling Differences' by Emme Phyzema and 'Nothing is Written' by Galahad.

I do not know, however, how to use the 1-star rating. Big smile
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by LakeGlade12 LakeGlade12 wrote:

2 stars 1.8 Stars. Wish you lived up to your hype

I legit laughed out loud at this Clap.

It reminds me of a 0/100 rating I gave a Pestilence album on MetalArchives where I said watching paint dry was more entertaining. One of the most polarizing bands ever for me.

Hahahaha, I sure hope it wasn't Spheres. That's one of my all time favorite albums period, let alone metal albums... i'm guessing it was one of their post Spheres releases?

Spheres is the only reason I like Pestilence. It's their absolute peak and then Mameli cowarded out and listened to the metal audience instead of continuing to create actual novel music. Sphere is a masterpiece and I own several copies of it!

The album I rated 0 was Testimony of The Ancients. The most overrated paint-by-prog extreme metal record that gets overpraised. Don't get me started LOL.

I knew Patrick Mameli (lead guy) for years, and he did nothing but make sure his ego was persevered while not paying me to run their website for four years, design only ads, promised me tons of merch from Spheres era, none of it.

They should have just stopped after Spheres instead of reviving, because it's been embarrassingly bad since 2009 lol. We always joke every single song is the song title said 50 times over a boring riff. Also every single Mameli lead since 1993 ends on the 23 fret w a sh*tty half step bend. You can't unhear! They're latest album is their worst; they swore by the dogma of 8 strings for two albums and realized it sounded like sh*t, so now it's back to 6 strings, but write 8 string riffs on the 6, etc...

Convoluted bullsh*t that Mameli got right once with Spheres! BROKEN CLOCK! Lol.


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Not that the Low review is my worst actually, here's a worse one (this album isn't that popular anyway though):

Eloy - Ra

1 stars The strongest element of Eloy has always been the rhythm section with the wonderful bassist Matziol and the pretty strong and characteristic drummers Rosenthal and Randow. On Ra none of them is present, instead we have synth bass and very electronic sounding drums played by a non-drummer (except Udo Dahmen on Invasion of a Megaforce but he doesn't sound much better which is a pity because I know he has more in his hat). Put on top an obsession with the most thick and showy 80s synthesizer sounds and Bornemann's ever so bombastic lyrics and thin voice. You can imagine that the result is a desaster. It's not so much the typical 70s prog band goes 80s commercial desaster. Eloy, you've got to give it to them, are in some way true to their progressive past, at least they still try to put something more into a song than verse-chorus-verse-chorus. Unfortunately, replacing their inspiring and lively rhythm section by something boring and unengaging strangles the whole thing. As songwriter, Bornemann can come up with the occasional well working melody and chord progression, but without his former partners it all lacks groove, becomes static and is ultimately hard to bear.

I should probably note that I can imagine why some die hard Eloy fans are still able to like this; if I imagine Matziol/Randow shaking up the compositions, some potential for acceptable prog may be revealed, some guitar and keyboard arrangements on their own are fine if the listener is able to forget the overall sound for a moment, but as things stand, my verdict is "hands off"!

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I really like the Strawbs' Bursting at the Seams album and gave it a 4-star rating recently, which probably comes as no surprise when I'm often criticised for overrating albums. Tongue

Bursting at the Seams is, for me, clearly the weakest album Strawbs released between From the Witchwood and Ghosts.
The good (Tears and Pavan, Down by the Sea, Flying) is magnificent, but the bad (Part of the Union, Thank You, The River) is dire. I'd rate it 3*.

But to suggest that the wheels fell off when Wakeman left is utterly absurd when the band released an utter masterpiece like Grave New World without him.
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I recall reviewing this when i was in a negative mood. 2 stars. http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=879802

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I have a few 1 and 2 star reviews but most are for albums that everyone either hates or doesn't know. I seem to be more stingy with stars than many, I have rated a number of albums 3 star that I really quite like, for one reason or another (3 stars means "good but not essential" officially, so for sure these are supposed to be good). Giving a two star rating consequently doesn't mean I hate that album, it can still even have some qualities and I may play it from time to time. One album got 2 stars that sits on an average of 4.09, has many reviews, and mine is the lowest rated. I have heard it numerous times to see whether I change my mind but no chance, except everyone seems to think I should either like it or I'm disqualified as a lover of interesting music. I choose disqualified then.

Here's Low by David Bowie. 

2 stars There is no doubt that Low is a very original and special album. Many things on Low are done in a very unique way, or for the first time. It seems this album has influenced a lot of people, particularly in New Wave and Post Punk, and it has impressed even more; Pitchfork rated this as the best album of the seventies. Certainly Mr Bowie got the timing right for this!

I have made numerous attempts to get into Low and one time after another I failed. The rock oriented first side sounds thin to me, the special sounds and the mix are unorthodox and original but rather annoy than please me. The songs don't have a lot of appeal and are faded out all to quickly and impatiently.The mood is neither heavy nor romantic nor angry, rather emotionally understated and distant, and this doesn't attract me. Bowie was not in his best shape when he did this and one can hear this. It sounds like his attention span was rather short and this is expected of the listener, too, at least on side one.

I like the electronically dominated second side more, some sounds are beautiful and Warszawa is pretty impressive in its atmosphere, although none of these has much compositional substance, it's all about trying out and showcasing this exciting new style. Allusions to electronic Kraut artists are tastefully woven in; Weeping Wall sounds a bit like some of Irmin Schmidt's Soundtracks (most of which came later to be fair) and is rather interesting. Art Decade comes from a similar angle as Warszawa and works fairly well but doesn't have the haunting vocals that Warszawa and Subterraneans offer; the latter would be rather directionless though without the pretty short vocal part. This kind of stuff has been done much better by the proper electronic musicians, except, OK, they don't have Bowie's voice.

All in all side one and side two don't really fit very well together (it seems that nobody denies this but some seem to find this very cool); I can't get much out of side one and side two has its moments but isn't really consistent and mature (Mr Bowie's gotta be innovative for innovation's sake, and leave the place again all too soon).

Side one is a weak 2* and side two a good 3* and because they're not the best match and nobody has rated this low (!) up to now I round it down. Yeah, I see why it's special but still. Essential but not good.


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I like it when someone I respect posts a 1 or 2 star review as it really gets my attention. Unfortunately, many reviewers here hand out 5 star reviews like candy and that's a turn off. I never read a review by someone who's last 20 ratings are all 5 stars. Why bother. It's fanboy musings.

You'd best avoid my 25 five-star ratings for Mostly Autumn then. Tongue
Not a problem. I avoid all of your reviews anyway.

I haven't written any reviews for Mostly Autumn's albums. After all, I couldn't possibly improve on Lazland's excellent reviews for my favourite band. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I like it when someone I respect posts a 1 or 2 star review as it really gets my attention. Unfortunately, many reviewers here hand out 5 star reviews like candy and that's a turn off. I never read a review by someone who's last 20 ratings are all 5 stars. Why bother. It's fanboy musings.

You'd best avoid my 25 five-star ratings for Mostly Autumn then. Tongue
Not a problem. I avoid all of your reviews anyway.

I haven't written any reviews for Mostly Autumn's albums. After all, I couldn't possibly improve on Lazland's excellent reviews for my favourite band. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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Ah, that sounds kind of mean.  I wanted this to be a warm and fluffy topic.
When someone opens a door wide enough to let a bus pass through, sometimes you just have to take advantage of it.

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Ah, that sounds kind of mean.  I wanted this to be a warm and fluffy topic.
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Ah, that sounds kind of mean.  I wanted this to be a warm and fluffy topic.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I like it when someone I respect posts a 1 or 2 star review as it really gets my attention. Unfortunately, many reviewers here hand out 5 star reviews like candy and that's a turn off. I never read a review by someone who's last 20 ratings are all 5 stars. Why bother. It's fanboy musings.

You'd best avoid my 25 five-star ratings for Mostly Autumn then. Tongue
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I like it when someone I respect posts a 1 or 2 star review as it really gets my attention. Unfortunately, many reviewers here hand out 5 star reviews like candy and that's a turn off. I never read a review by someone who's last 20 ratings are all 5 stars. Why bother. It's fanboy musings.

You'd best avoid my 25 five-star ratings for Mostly Autumn then. Tongue
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When the quick-rating feature came out, I rated a lot of my favourites, which acted as a sort of list making.  It is so out of date that I'd quite like to remove them (but too lazy).  Felt it useful as an indicator of my tastes.  I don't mind the ratings, but I would much rather write reviews without them, made worse by the descriptions of the ratings for me.   And then I have felt compelled to explain why I rated it a certain way (kind of in an absurd tongue-in-cheek way).

I used to read  a great many film reviews, and I inevitably took the sources more seriously and preferred those sources when they did not resort to such ratings.  At the same time, I can see the use of average ratings as a quick reference to finding that which might most likely appeal, and as an easy reference to see what other community members enjoy.

I wouldn't mind being able to rate the albums (just a way of list-making and an indicator of taste) and have a way to keep that separate from the review.  Not a big deal to me, though, as I haven't reviewed much.  I might well have reviewed more if we didn't have to add a rating.

For prog reviews I used to most read the Ground & Sky site reviews, and as I recall, they didn't use ratings.  I could be mistaken.

EDIT: That post above came in as I was preparing this.  I don't wish to see the ratings gone, I would just like to have the option not to rate when reviewing.  Ratings serve a purpose and can be useful to people.  Ideally, I'd like for that to be up to individual choice.  


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No stars = no PA top 100 or any ranking whatsoever. Stars are important to me as a baseline to gauge if I'm interested or not to further check out an artist. I usually choose the album with the highest star rating to begin with. 

What do you propose as an alternate to a star rating? Do you believe someone will read all 524 reviews of Close to the Edge to decide if they want to hear it?
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I like it when someone I respect posts a 1 or 2 star review as it really gets my attention. Unfortunately, many reviewers here hand out 5 star reviews like candy and that's a turn off. I never read a review by someone who's last 20 ratings are all 5 stars. Why bother. It's fanboy musings.
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I agree. I don't like stars, too.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I wish we had the option not to have to assign star ratings.

Yes! That would be wonderful. The fact you have to assign star ratings is why I never posted reviews here. I planned to when I first found the site a decade or so ago, but as soon as I realised you had to assign a rating. I baulked. The only reason I have been posting reviews recently is because after I started having my reviews posted at TPA, I had the artists asking me if I could repost them here. At first I was reposting only as I was asked to, but eventually I found it easier just to repost as they are published. I still hate assigning star ratings...

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