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Originally posted by Artik Artik wrote:

Gentle Giant
Van Der Graaf Generator
Caravan
Camel
Renaissance
Magma


this would be the one that makes most sense, IMHO

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

The Big Six Originals:

The Nice
The Doors
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
The Moody Blues
Procol Harum
Soft Machine


No Beatles? Wink


Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Univers Zero
Henry Cow
Hatfield & The North
Magma
Mike Oldfield
VDGG


In terms of sales, the odd one out would be Oldfield (which could have been the big 7th during the 70's)


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Your "Big Six" that aren't in the "Big Six

Frank Zappa
Jimi Hendrix Experience
Weather Report
Mike Oldfield
The Tangent
Mostly Autumn

Second Tier Six

Erik Norlander
Pineapple Thief
Echolyn
Discipline
Grey Lady Down
Medeski, Martin & Wood
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I'll jump on the second tier Big Six bandwagon. Smile

First Tier

07. Renaissance
08. Camel
09. Barclay James Harvest
10. Moody Blues
11. Procol Harum
12. Caravan

Second Tier

13. Mike Oldfield
14. Rick Wakeman
15. Mostly Autumn
16. Curved Air
17. Nektar
18. IQ

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Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Your "Big Six" that aren't in the "Big Six
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Second Tier Six

Erik Norlander
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Hi,

WOW ... and such a deserved mention ... the show he did with his wife and their band (The rocket Scientists) still is, for me, the best performance and the most professional of all of them at the SF Progressive Music Festival in 1999.

Sadly, their work is not always mentioned and because he is from LA and not from London, he will forever be considered a minor Keith Emerson, when the comparison between the 2 is ridiculous ... to say the least, even though there are many who think there is a link. At the time, KE could not mix all the instruments he wanted to play, and later it became about the mixing and using of all of the instruments "together" and not just for what we consider a "solo" ... in many ways, Eric's work is less about the solo, than it is about its entirety and his ability to make sure that the keyboards ADD to the whole thing, instead of him showing off his skills. I don't see, neither did I feel when I talked to them, that this guy was merely playing out his keyboard tricks and licks he learned in school! One of the few at that, btw!

Outstanding player ... who deserves a lot more credit, and it is kinda sad to see that he and his wife (Lana Lane) have not done a bit more in the last 10 to 15 years ... she's not exactly a weak singer, and my only thoughts are that the words she sings need to be evaluated better and create better "poetry", though I imagine that it would change some of her abilities and inflections ... but in their show, she was as good an all the others.

One other detail ... the bass playing by Don Schiff ... a massive bass player that knows what he is doing and I think is better than Tony Levin and some of the others in the quartet and group of Stick players ... but I think that Don is more into the completeness of the music and its continuity than he is into the solo style of the others involved ... one of the saddest things in rock music, that the solo style is more important than the music itself ... I don't dislike the Stick Men ... but I would rather listen to Don Schiff and what he adds to the music in general ... which is excellent and a very important part of The Rocket Scientists.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Negoba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2021 at 10:29
Ok, why not jump back in here?

Big 6 of Prog Metal:
Dream Theater
Opeth
Devin Townsend
Queensryche
Tool
Animals as Leaders


Big 6 more Classic acts:
Gentle Giant
Frank Zappa
Rush
Marillion
VDGG
Mahavishnu Orchestra

Just in terms of influence

My favorites not mentioned already:
Khan / Egg 
Ash Ra Tempel
Unexpect
Peter Gabriel solo
Mars Volta
Pain of Salvation


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Marillion
Steven Wilson/ Porcupine Tree
Spock's Beard
PFM
The Flower Kings
Dream Theater
(Apologies to Camel, Mike Oldfield, Renaissance, VDGG and Rush who are just as worthy)
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Had to think about this for a while:
  • Rush
  • Zappa
  • Renaissance
  • Camel
  • Porcupine Tree
  • Gentle Giant
I put the Jazz/Fusion bands aside because they may have taken up the whole list. 
 


Edited by Argo2112 - April 26 2021 at 07:55
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Camel
Focus
Transatlantic
Neal Morse
Spock's Beard
Flower Kings
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-Porcupine Tree
-The Pineapple Thief
-Riverside
-Phideaux
-Ayreon
-Gazpacho.

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It was always Big Five when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s and still is in books,mags and many websites. I've only seen Big Six used on prog forums in the last ten years or so.

Anyway here are mine:


Mike Oldfield
Camel
Uriah Heep
Wishbone Ash
Deep Purple
Tangerine Dream


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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

It was always Big Five when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s and still is in books,mags and many websites. I've only seen Big Six used on prog forums in the last ten years or so.

I’m intrigued, as I’ve never heard of a Big Five. Who was missed out? I’m assuming it was Jethro Tull, as they’ve always struck me as the “odd one out” in the Big Six. (Which is not to say I don’t like Tull, nor to say I don’t think they are prog. I do like them, and I do think they are.)

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

It was always Big Five when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s and still is in books,mags and many websites. I've only seen Big Six used on prog forums in the last ten years or so.

I’m intrigued, as I’ve never heard of a Big Five. Who was missed out? I’m assuming it was Jethro Tull, as they’ve always struck me as the “odd one out” in the Big Six. (Which is not to say I don’t like Tull, nor to say I don’t think they are prog. I do like them, and I do think they are.)


I've only heard of "the big 6" here on the PA forum, a couple of years ago. I thought it was because every genre had a "big 4" (a term the mainstream media used to promote the 4 big names of thrash at some point late 80s). Silly me! LOL It seems it (unfortunately) stuck with prog as well, big 5, big 6, big whatever... 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

It was always Big Five when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s and still is in books,mags and many websites. I've only seen Big Six used on prog forums in the last ten years or so.

I’m intrigued, as I’ve never heard of a Big Five. Who was missed out? I’m assuming it was Jethro Tull, as they’ve always struck me as the “odd one out” in the Big Six. (Which is not to say I don’t like Tull, nor to say I don’t think they are prog. I do like them, and I do think they are.)


I've only heard of "the big 6" here on the PA forum, a couple of years ago. I thought it was because every genre had a "big 4" (a term the mainstream media used to promote the 4 big names of thrash at some point late 80s). Silly me! LOL It seems it (unfortunately) stuck with prog as well, big 5, big 6, big whatever... 

Yes, I’ve heard of a Big Four of prog (that excludes Floyd and Tull), and obviously a Big Six, too - but a Big Five is a new one for me, which is why I wonder who is missed out.

Big Four is definitely the norm. Almost every genre seems to have a Big Four that people argue over, and I definitely remember reading about the Big Four of prog in several different magazines back in the day. In fact, the first I ever read about the Big Four was in a magazine published probably before I was born, or soon after, that belonged to my uncle. I was staying with him for a couple of weeks, and he knew I was interested in music so dug out all his old magazines from the attic for me to read - and read them I did. But I am absolutely certain it was only the Big Four, because Genesis were the only band I knew from them at the time.

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

It was always Big Five when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s and still is in books,mags and many websites. I've only seen Big Six used on prog forums in the last ten years or so.

I’m intrigued, as I’ve never heard of a Big Five. Who was missed out? I’m assuming it was Jethro Tull, as they’ve always struck me as the “odd one out” in the Big Six. (Which is not to say I don’t like Tull, nor to say I don’t think they are prog. I do like them, and I do think they are.)

Yes, I think Ian Anderson's Jethro Tull only has one leg to stand on regarding being a member of the Big Six. Tongue
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I thought we got to a Big 6 because we could never agree on a Big 4 or 5. We could only really agree that Yes & Genesis were definitely in.


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I thought we got to a Big 6 because we could never agree on a Big 4 or 5. We could only really agree that Yes & Genesis were definitely in.
I'm not quite sure why Genesis is some kind of slam dunk for whatever BIG #(choose a number). They only played prog for about 10 years and only sold albums once they started playing Motown show tunes.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I thought we got to a Big 6 because we could never agree on a Big 4 or 5. We could only really agree that Yes & Genesis were definitely in.
I'm not quite sure why Genesis is some kind of slam dunk for whatever BIG #(choose a number). They only played prog for about 10 years and only sold albums once they started playing Motown show tunes.

I guess it's only YES then! LOL
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I thought we got to a Big 6 because we could never agree on a Big 4 or 5. We could only really agree that Yes & Genesis were definitely in.
I'm not quite sure why Genesis is some kind of slam dunk for whatever BIG #(choose a number). They only played prog for about 10 years and only sold albums once they started playing Motown show tunes.

As I said somewhere above, though, the first time I ever saw a mention of a Big Four was in a magazine that was probably published circa 1975, with the four being Genesis, KC, Yes and ELP. It probably didn’t use the term Big Four, though it might have. I imagine it was more something along the lines of Four Progressive Rock Giants or some such hyperbole. 🤷🏻‍♂️

But it was that article that first made me aware (in approx 1990, I think? 🤔) of the bands other than Genesis, who I already knew and liked.

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Big Five was standard in the UK for years, look it up.
Big 6 is just Big 5 + JT.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Big Five was standard in the UK for years, look it up.
Big 6 is just Big 5 + JT.

Tell me how to look it up, and I will. If I Google big 5 prog and then Google big 4 prog, the 4 comes up with earlier hits than 5 (at least on the first two pages, as I looked no further than that). I’m not disputing you. I have no reason to. All I was giving was my anecdotal knowledge of only a big 4 and a big 6.

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