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Originally posted by tempest_77 tempest_77 wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=73168

This album has not come out yet, but it has 13 ratings already?

the album leaked LOL
those ratings need to be nuked. 
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=73168

This album has not come out yet, but it has 13 ratings already?
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Deleted all ratings and PMed him. Thanks for your notification mates.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

^I just found one where every single rating was 1-star, several hundred of them:


Normally I don't look for this kind of stuff, but the recent addition of the band Temple Garden immediately having a one-star rating seemed kind of harsh for a band's first time on PA. So, I clicked on the user who gave them that and found that nothing on this site apparently deserves more than one star. Why even come here then and spend all that time doing that?? Confused


that's one of the worst cases of rating abuse I've ever seen to be honest, this needs to be reported definitely. 


This is the same guy who told me to f*ck off in a thread about how to rate non Prog albums by an artist who is included in a fully fledged Prog category (which the admins subsequently deleted after I reported it) Off with his head I say.
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There is something very odd about this. The member in question posted in the Welcome Newbies section, stating he was a huge Pink Floyd fan and very much into Prog-Folk. Turns out that he gave one star to the whole PF discography and Pentangle (which he mentions as favourites). Very, very strange.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

^I just found one where every single rating was 1-star, several hundred of them:


Normally I don't look for this kind of stuff, but the recent addition of the band Temple Garden immediately having a one-star rating seemed kind of harsh for a band's first time on PA. So, I clicked on the user who gave them that and found that nothing on this site apparently deserves more than one star. Why even come here then and spend all that time doing that?? Confused


that's one of the worst cases of rating abuse I've ever seen to be honest, this needs to be reported definitely. 
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Anybody who rates more than 10 albums at 1 star probably fits into that category tbh ^ I can’t imagine seeking out so much music that apparently appalls you that much, and furthermore I can’t fathom having such a negative outlook on music either.
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Unbelievable. Some people must really have no life or serious emotional issues. Very sad.
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^I just found one where every single rating was 1-star, several hundred of them:


Normally I don't look for this kind of stuff, but the recent addition of the band Temple Garden immediately having a one-star rating seemed kind of harsh for a band's first time on PA. So, I clicked on the user who gave them that and found that nothing on this site apparently deserves more than one star. Why even come here then and spend all that time doing that?? Confused
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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=20306

anyone else feel this account is a little suspicious? Maybe not particularly rule breaking but that is an obscene amount of 1 star ratings.
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65222

people can't even wait for the album to come out to rating bomb it with 1 star ratings
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I can’t pretend to know all about the statistics behind music, and I’m not going to pretend to care. I can tell what sounds good to me, and streaming can definitely be no worse than CD, depending where one streams. Tidal is known for streaming FLAC and for having CD qualify sound (although obviously what device you listen to either the stream or the CD makes a difference). As for expensive, Tidal is always having special offers, so as long as you are happy to make up new email addresses as required, you can take advantage of free months, or the present deal for four months premium access for £4. So, that’s £4 to listen to the whole Opeth discography at CD quality....
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm with ExitTheLemming on this one. I wouldn't review an album from an inferior audio source. But for those that do it would be helpful for them to state exactly where a particular piece of music was sourced from.

Inferior is subjective, though. The only way this would be helpful is if every review stated what source it came from, without claiming it to be superior or inferior. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Simple. If it sounds like crap, say so.

Sure, but if that’s the case, then you don’t need to state the source.

My point is that, objectively, if all things are produced to their potential, then an LP is an inferior source compared to lossless streaming. But I suspect that even were that the case, ExitTheLemming would still think the stream was the inferior source. Hence why it becomes subjective, irrelevant of any “real” objectivity.

As you say, it is far more simple than that. Regardless of the source, if it sounds like crap, say so. 🤗



No-one is inferring that the audio by virtue of being streamed is somehow indicative of the sound quality. I don't have any subscriptions to services like Spotify but I doubt any such services out there can stream at 1411kbps (although with touted Hi Res Audio offerings from Amazon, Primephonic, Qobuz and Tidal this may change but it will come at a commensurate price for the consumer) I purchase a lot of downloadable music in FLAC format which is lossless and am happy to consider such a format suitable for the purposes of reviewing an album so I don't consider myself in thrall to physical media
There's nothing wrong with FLAC. You'll know if immediately if the music was recorded like sh*t.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Isn't this thread for reporting inappropriate ratings? Much as I'm enjoying this back and forth it should move elsewhere.

Yes, and I considered not arguing here, as potentially inappropriate. However, there was a suggestion (whether by implication or inference) that ratings are inappropriate if they come from an “inferior” source. For that reason alone, I felt it appropriate to counter the argument. Because it would be a very slippery slope to start upon.

If one reviewer has given ratings for every album in a discography, without accompanying reviews, then we should not assume that they are not accurate if they are all low, it’s because they were listened to streaming (which, if they did listen to them, would be likely).

In the original example, where everything is given a blanket 1 star, it’s more likely to be abuse (though not necessarily so), and Occam’s Razor is probably the way to go. Bump it on the head, and be down with it. But say there is a discography where everything is a mix of 1 and 2 stars? What then? Is it abuse? It could well be sometime that has gone through a discography, and found that nothing is particularly to their taste, but some have more merit than others.

Is it abuse of the rating system? I don’t believe so.

Thus the argument. Because we can’t assume that someone is incapable of coming to a conclusion of how they feel about an album because they have chosen to stream it.

Just my opinion, of course.



Irrespective of source material, the ability to rate without review was originally designed to facilitate non-English speaking PA members being able to contribute to the site. We all might agree this a laudable intention. It wasn't designed to allow individuals clearly too lazy to get out the bath for a pee to have the admins waste time second guessing their intentions with blanket low and high ratings across entire swathes of discographies. If you have posted on these forums even just once, there is really no excuse for a ratings only review. Too busy to write a review? get off the forum pilgrim. The criteria for what constitutes a permissible review is incredibly indulgent i.e as long as you don't actually slander or defame it usually gets published. The site is fueled by articulated opinion not the petty arithmetic of a sports league table.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Isn't this thread for reporting inappropriate ratings? Much as I'm enjoying this back and forth it should move elsewhere.

Yes, and I considered not arguing here, as potentially inappropriate. However, there was a suggestion (whether by implication or inference) that ratings are inappropriate if they come from an “inferior” source. For that reason alone, I felt it appropriate to counter the argument. Because it would be a very slippery slope to start upon.


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Isn't this thread for reporting inappropriate ratings? Much as I'm enjoying this back and forth it should move elsewhere.

Yes, and I considered not arguing here, as potentially inappropriate. However, there was a suggestion (whether by implication or inference) that ratings are inappropriate if they come from an “inferior” source. For that reason alone, I felt it appropriate to counter the argument. Because it would be a very slippery slope to start upon.

If one reviewer has given ratings for every album in a discography, without accompanying reviews, then we should not assume that they are not accurate if they are all low, it’s because they were listened to streaming (which, if they did listen to them, would be likely).

In the original example, where everything is given a blanket 1 star, it’s more likely to be abuse (though not necessarily so), and Occam’s Razor is probably the way to go. Bump it on the head, and be down with it. But say there is a discography where everything is a mix of 1 and 2 stars? What then? Is it abuse? It could well be sometime that has gone through a discography, and found that nothing is particularly to their taste, but some have more merit than others.

Is it abuse of the rating system? I don’t believe so.

Thus the argument. Because we can’t assume that someone is incapable of coming to a conclusion of how they feel about an album because they have chosen to stream it.

Just my opinion, of course.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm with ExitTheLemming on this one. I wouldn't review an album from an inferior audio source. But for those that do it would be helpful for them to state exactly where a particular piece of music was sourced from.

Inferior is subjective, though. The only way this would be helpful is if every review stated what source it came from, without claiming it to be superior or inferior. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Simple. If it sounds like crap, say so.

Sure, but if that’s the case, then you don’t need to state the source.

My point is that, objectively, if all things are produced to their potential, then an LP is an inferior source compared to lossless streaming. But I suspect that even were that the case, ExitTheLemming would still think the stream was the inferior source. Hence why it becomes subjective, irrelevant of any “real” objectivity.

As you say, it is far more simple than that. Regardless of the source, if it sounds like crap, say so. 🤗



No-one is inferring that the audio by virtue of being streamed is somehow indicative of the sound quality. I don't have any subscriptions to services like Spotify but I doubt any such services out there can stream at 1411kbps (although with touted Hi Res Audio offerings from Amazon, Primephonic, Qobuz and Tidal this may change but it will come at a commensurate price for the consumer) I purchase a lot of downloadable music in FLAC format which is lossless and am happy to consider such a format suitable for the purposes of reviewing an album so I don't consider myself in thrall to physical media
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I wouldn't bother to review anything if the source fidelity is no better than something like You Tube (around 126 kbps) or MP3 (320 kbps) I'm guessing (if I cared) it probably depends on what sort of subscription you pay on Spotify which dictates the sound quality you receive but AFAIK that would either be 160 kbps or 'premium' 320 kbps (same as MP3) For me, and I'm no audiophile, neither of those does justice to the music under review. Let's hope you're not studying audio recording technology but something like English literature instead, as a written review makes all this frothing and gnashing over petty arithmetic start to resemble a sports science graduate's acceptance speech Big smile

Wow. Pretty condescending. Way to make people feel welcome here. Petty arithmetic aside - you brought money into it by the way - if an artist decides to supply their work to what is the most popular music service around currently, then they're clearly happy with people listening to it and reviewing it at that level of quality - I believe you're right and its 320kbps.

Quite laughably my full time career is as an acoustic & vibration engineer for a car company, I spend way too long talking about the subjecitvity of sound quality to give two hoots about it in my personal life. And back at uni doing something else, because its S#*t and I hate it :-)

Suggest we all just accept that any kind of rating is subjective and that people are allowed to have different ipinions and ways of doing things?
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


I'm with ExitTheLemming on this one. I wouldn't review an album from an inferior audio source. But for those that do it would be helpful for them to state exactly where a particular piece of music was sourced from.


Inferior is subjective, though. The only way this would be helpful is if every review stated what source it came from, without claiming it to be superior or inferior. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Simple. If it sounds like crap, say so.


Sure, but if that’s the case, then you don’t need to state the source.

My point is that, objectively, if all things are produced to their potential, then an LP is an inferior source compared to lossless streaming. But I suspect that even were that the case, ExitTheLemming would still think the stream was the inferior source. Hence why it becomes subjective, irrelevant of any “real” objectivity.

As you say, it is far more simple than that. Regardless of the source, if it sounds like crap, say so. 🤗

I understand what you're saying but generally an MP3 file sounds bad as opposed to most CD remsters. Some things are a constant.
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Isn't this thread for reporting inappropriate ratings? Much as I'm enjoying this back and forth it should move elsewhere. 

From my perspective while I understand that financially no big deal to listen to Opeth's or Dream Theaters entire discography on Spotify I still struggle to understand why you'd do it if you worked out 4 or 5 albums in that the artist offered nothing you like. You'd really put yourself through the whole discography just to be able to add a one star rating? I still find it somewhat unbelievable versus someone just clicking every album unheard.
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