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Poll Question: Which Bolero-related track do you prefer?
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I don't know how many of you are familiar with this great song (originally by Violeta Parra) arranged in a bolero style by historic Chilean band Los Jaivas. The whole album Obras de Violeta Parra is highly recommended, especially to those who like South American prog with folk influences:




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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Kc fan so went with that Bolero...but being a big fan of Mr Walsh ...this version is rocky like Beck's, not true prog, but  with some added material by Walsh. Bomber/Bolero/Cast Your Fate.....btw for those who don't know this lp.....buy it...it is a classic of rock .




Like it. and it sounds proggy enough to me.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I don't know how many of you are familiar with this great song (originally by Violeta Parra) arranged in a bolero style by historic Chilean band Los Jaivas. The whole album Obras de Violeta Parra is highly recommended, especially to those who like South American prog with folk influences:






Wow, quite good, and definitely bolero-y. i only have one Los Jaivas album, so its nice to hear some of their other music.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Thanks for the correction. Mars is one of my favorite pieces from the Planets (which is my favorite symphony/orchestral work of all).

 Still, it has that distinctive bolero-like beat I mentioned.

It definitely has a bolero feel to it, and it’s definitely not the only classical piece of music about war to use that beat, and have the similarity pointed out.

Regarding his 7th symphony, Shostakovich reputedly said:
“I suppose that critics with nothing better to do will damn me for copying Ravel’s Bolero. Well, let them. That is how I hear war.”



Wouldn't surprise me if Ravel was an influence on Holst, though I couldn't find any direct evidence (only that Schoenberg was).  But also, as I listen to the Triangle again, the song structure (of building and repetitiveness) is more Ravel-bolero-like than Holst-Mars-like, at least to my ears.  Definitely more ominous and war-like though, than any of the others.
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I love all of the listed Bolero variations that you have listed, but my favorite is the Zappa version, so I give him the sole vote (so far anyway).  

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Love that Jaivas song. The entire album is pretty amazing.
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Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Kc fan so went with that Bolero...but being a big fan of Mr Walsh ...this version is rocky like Beck's, not true prog, but  with some added material by Walsh. Bomber/Bolero/Cast Your Fate.....btw for those who don't know this lp.....buy it...it is a classic of rock .




Like it. and it sounds proggy enough to me.

I'm a big fan of this one too.  It is actually edited out on some albums, something to do with copyright laws I think.  BTW, the "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" section is a cover too, for those that didn't know that.

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Finally case me own vote, for Arsenal (other), even though I just heard it, really like it.

I'll have to check out more of this band!
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Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Finally case me own vote, for Arsenal (other), even though I just heard it, really like it.

I'll have to check out more of this band!
Unfortunately, I don’t think their Bolero was ever released on an album. It was a single only release, as far as I can tell. Glad you liked it, though. I almost voted for it myself.
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For me, Bolero by King Crimson... though I don't hear much similarity to Ravel's Bolero, besides the name.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

sorry to spoil the fun, but "The Devil's Triangle" is based on "Mars - The Bringer of War" from Gustav Holst's "The Planets" suite





And besides that, if we are talking about King Crimson and their adaptation of Mars, I prefer the live ones when they still called it Mars, over the studio The Devil's Triangle.
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Rare Bird - As Your Mind Flies By - Flight has a Bolero section:
 
 
 
 
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I was listening to Detieti today, and Ravel's Bolero appears within the Cocaintro to their 2018 album, Frogressive Punk. Make of it what you will. I quite like this band, but definitely others may not be so enamoured....
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I don't know how many of you are familiar with this great song (originally by Violeta Parra) arranged in a bolero style by historic Chilean band Los Jaivas. The whole album Obras de Violeta Parra is highly recommended, especially to those who like South American prog with folk influences: 

Oooh, I like this. Very different from the Detieti I posed an hour or so ago! LOL
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KC's The Devil Triangle. It's actually a terrible bolero but a great song. LOL
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Song "Armada" by Australian band Rainbow Theatre contains "Bolero" section (hmm... which sounds veeery familiar Wink )
or in not so good quality

Generally both of their 2 albums are very interesting - with original style mixing rich jazz arrangements (sax, trombone, French Horn, Cornet), eclectic sections, trimphant religious themes, expressive vocals and symphonic prog.


Edited by HarryAngel746 - March 02 2021 at 12:51
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