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Poll Question: Which Bolero-related track do you prefer?
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    Posted: February 16 2021 at 16:22
I've become aware of at least 5 Prog/Prog-related tracks that seem to be, to one degree or another, based on Ravel's Bolero.  They all sound different, and don't always follow the original melody (Zappa's is probably the closest) but the thing they have in common is that they imitate that distinctive, kind of Spanish-march beat.

So, I'm just seeing what the favorites are, and guessing there are more (I thought Renaissance had done something like a Bolero, but couldn't find it--maybe I'm remembering wrongly Confused).  Anyway, post if you know of any more.
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Beck's is the best. 
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All are good, but I have always liked KC’s.

For an “other”, though, since you asked.


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You missed Thijs Van Leer's version of Bolero
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

All are good, but I have always liked KC’s.

For an “other”, though, since you asked.


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Damn, that's quite good!  Thanks for posting.

I might even vote for it (haven't voted myself yet), but I'll sleep on it.  Others are good too.
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sorry to spoil the fun, but "The Devil's Triangle" is based on "Mars - The Bringer of War" from Gustav Holst's "The Planets" suite




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I’ve always thought Who Are You from Black Sabbath has quite a Bolero feeling to it.


And to be honest, it’s probably my favourite Bolero, so I should probably have voted for “other”.
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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

You missed Thijs Van Leer's version of Bolero






Wow! this is just excellent too.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

sorry to spoil the fun, but "The Devil's Triangle" is based on "Mars - The Bringer of War" from Gustav Holst's "The Planets" suite




Thanks for the correction. Mars is one of my favorite pieces from the Planets (which is my favorite symphony/orchestral work of all).

 Still, it has that distinctive bolero-like beat I mentioned.
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Echo & The Bunnymen's Nocturnal Me sounds very bolero-like to me.
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Kc fan so went with that Bolero...but being a big fan of Mr Walsh ...this version is rocky like Beck's, not true prog, but  with some added material by Walsh. Bomber/Bolero/Cast Your Fate.....btw for those who don't know this lp.....buy it...it is a classic of rock .




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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I’ve always thought Who Are You from Black Sabbath has quite a Bolero feeling to it.


And to be honest, it’s probably my favourite Bolero, so I should probably have voted for “other”.


Lol, I was JUST talking to a buddy about how that's my favorite Sabbath record, but that exact song is SO out of place and feels like studio filler so bad. Everything about it feels bad to my ears, and rushed, lol.

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Rush's Jacob Ladder is a bolero

Oddly, I never thought of Devil's Triangle as a bolero, but I guess it's a valid stance
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Rush's Jacob Ladder is a bolero

Oddly, I never thought of Devil's Triangle as a bolero, but I guess it's a valid stance

I think so too. While I can understand why it was pointed out that it was based on Mars, I think that misses the point. It definitely has that bolero feel to it.

There are actually quite a few boleros in rock and prog, and even more that use boleros within passages of their songs (particularly in the bridge).

I guess it’s a question of whether we are recognising boleros or Ravel’s Bolero?



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Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Thanks for the correction. Mars is one of my favorite pieces from the Planets (which is my favorite symphony/orchestral work of all).

 Still, it has that distinctive bolero-like beat I mentioned.

It definitely has a bolero feel to it, and it’s definitely not the only classical piece of music about war to use that beat, and have the similarity pointed out.

Regarding his 7th symphony, Shostakovich reputedly said:
“I suppose that critics with nothing better to do will damn me for copying Ravel’s Bolero. Well, let them. That is how I hear war.”



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KC's Devil's Triangle is my fave of these. ELP would be my second choice followed by Zappa.
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