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Kreng - "Wrak": The sound is almost inaudible in the beginning, but there's a very slow fade in. The  plain piano chords are contrasted by a totally cacophonic soundscape of dissonant noises. Some sort of machines? I can imagine it as the music for a horror film, because the atmosphere is quite frightening. Maybe it is also a bit pinkfloydish? The music fades out as slowly as it faded in, but after the fade out, the track continues with some barely audible sounds. It requires your full attention. Very interesting piece which I really enjoyed listening to.

"The Summoning": Another one that begins with almost no sound (perhaps because of that, I actually had to turn the sound symbol on after starting the clip, the sound was blocked - I had the same problem with "Wrak"). The fade in this time is very long. Even after 4 minutes, the music is still very quiet, and since the track involves a doom metal band, I actually expect to be totally shocked by a sudden outburst of loudness (you know, like the fortissimo beginning of the 4th movement in Mahler's 1st symphony after the slow "Frère Jacques" movement). So far it has not happened, but an electric bass has entered the sound. The bass figure sounds a bit floydish, as do the keyboards. After 9 minutes the band finally arrives, but the sound is still quiet. Is it still a calm before the storm, or is it simply the sound in the clip that isn't any louder? After the 13th minute the band section ends, so it appears there is not loud shock after all. The music ends with the bass riff, and it is a relief not to have my ears blown off all of a sudden. Interesting piece of music in any case.

NB: I wrote this while listening, so the words reflect my spontaneous thoughts while not knowing what comes next.


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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

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Television - "Marquee Moon": Again, I know it too well, so it won't be a contender for my votes, but amazing song - and solo!

Gomez - "Rie's Wagon": Starts with some guitar feedback. After some seconds, the bands sets ind. The feeling is very bluesy, especially the singing, and there's a minimalistic and stripped down production. Judging by the sound aesthetics it is recorded some time in the 90's methinks, or alternately the early 00's. Not the type of music I listen to the most, but I like what I hear, especially as we get to the dissonant and edgy solo part (which ends very abruptly). I would also like to praise the chorus which is very catchy.

Fleet Foxes - "Third of May / Odaigahara" is quite a change towards a lighter mood. Something in the melody makes me think of the 60's. The low-pitched male ooh-voices in the middle are very interesting. Approximately 5 ½ minutes into the song, there's a surprising change of mood and tempo. The music becomes mostly acoustic except for some discreet electronic sounds. Then follows quite a proggy section with a mysterious atmosphere, and so the song ends. Absolutely an interesting piece of music, but I think it requires some more listenings. I think I might have heard the band once at the Roskilde Festival in Denmark many years ago, but I am not sure.

Thanks for the comments Anders.  As far as the time these were recorded, "Rie's Wagon" is on Gomez's 2nd album recorded in 1998.  Fleet Foxes actually released their 1st album (an EP) in 2006.  The track I featured is off of their 2017 album "Crack-Up".  

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Thanks all for the feedback. It is as always nice to read the comments on the different (mine and others') contributions.

@Mike: it seems you missed my two Kreng entries... (or you hated them so much that you didn't want to talk about it, but I actually think you might like them... ;)

Will have more time this weekend to comment on everything, but a first listen was very pleasant.

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Thanks all for the feedback. It is as always nice to read the comments on the different (mine and others') contributions.

@Mike: it seems you missed my two Kreng entries... (or you hated them so much that you didn't want to talk about it, but I actually think you might like them... ;)

Will have more time this weekend to comment on everything, but a first listen was very pleasant.

Kees:  Sorry about that but I did listen to them after I had posted that first set of comments.  I don't really know how I missed them in the comments though.  Sorry about that oversight.  I do remember "Wrak" quite succinctly however as I was really impressed with that one which was much darker and interesting and contrary to what you said on that posting, it did take me to a place that I wanted the music to go.  There is no way I hated them, it was just a stupid oversight on my part.  I was impressed enough however with "Wrak" that I would definitely put it among one of the best of the entries.  The 3rd one I need to listen to a couple more times, so that will probably change, but after the first listen, it didn't quite match up to the power of the 2nd one, even though it had some impressive cinematic qualities to it.  

I have been a victim of oversight for my entries in the past also, but I just figured that it was simply an oversight.  Now it comes around to bite me in the butt LOL


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^ Ah, you know, I have been crying all day because of it... But no need to do that awkward gymnastic exercise, it might give you pain in the neck... LOL
Jokes aside, I thought you might like it, so I was just curious, and I'm glad I was not mistaken about that. Thanks for the comment.


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The feedback is always of interest and for those who have the time, it is so eloquently done.  Sometimes it has made me listen to something in a way I haven't heard it before.  In particular, Mike, I loved the writeup you did on the Ravel piece, it was so very descriptive of the music, I could hear it once again in my mind's ear as I read your thoughts on it.  
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One of my favorite things..Snicolette posted Quicksilver so here's Buffalo Springfield...as far as I know not on cd anywhere... only on this double vinyl which I have a copy of.



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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

One of my favorite things..Snicolette posted Quicksilver so here's Buffalo Springfield...as far as I know not on cd anywhere... only on this double vinyl which I have a copy of.
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The Allman Brothers Band - "Mountain Jam": The main theme, if there is such a thing, is a guitar duet - something which I recognize from several other Allman Brothers tracks. Personally I find it a bit hard to sit through this music with my headphones on (which is what I do because I don't want to disturb my neighbours); I guess you have to be there at the actual gig to really get the essence of it. But maybe I just have to listen to it some more times. In any case it's a pleasant listening experience. A bit too pleasant perhaps. Thankfully the track is not built on a 12 bar blues.

Favourite parts include the duel between the two drummers (halfway) and the bass solo (without guitars and keyboard).
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Blumfeld - "So lebe ich": I guess it won't come as a big surprise, but I like this a lot! A big reason is of course the lyrics which are very poetic and which I am somehow touched by. I may not always get what they are trying to say, but it doesn't matter - they are open for interpretation which is great, and the musicality of the words means a lot too. But it is obvious the there is some societal criticism present. The lyrics are accompanied by some rather gloomy and monotonous music. One could argue that a song of this length needs a little more development, for instance with regards to the arrangement - it doesn't have to be big contrasts, small details often have just as huge an impact. On the other hand, the musical atmosphere fits the lyrics very well.

Meredith Monk - "Anthem": Now this is obviously something very different. An interactive song recorded in the shade of Covid-19. A brave thing to do. It has a somewhat impressionistic touch to it. It could also be described as electronica for non-electronic instruments. Very beautiful. I somehow come to think of the track "Subterraneans" from David Bowie's Low album, among other things because of the singing voices.

Tied and Tickled Trio - "Other Voices Other Rooms" is another track that appeals to me. The composition is interesting, repeating the same 12 bars over and over again, but with small tiny differens so that the music builds a tension very slowly. After 3 miuntes there's a change of mood to a sort of "break" section, during which a drumkit enters the sound. At the same time there are these ominous pling-plong sounds. Then comes a section with the glockenspiel as the musical base.

Don't know if I can choose a favourite among those three. I really enjoy all of them, but there isn't so much music like the Blumfeld song in the lineup, so I believe it would make a nice contrast.


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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

One of my favorite things..Snicolette posted Quicksilver so here's Buffalo Springfield...as far as I know not on cd anywhere... only on this double vinyl which I have a copy of.

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Just had a chance to listen, have not heard that in years.  We used to have the LP, but no more.  I had the great privilege of seeing this original line-up rehearsing at Stephen Stills' home in Encino back in 1986, one of my favourite things that I ever got to do, working in "the business."  He did a really similar kind of thing just jamming with Neil on a song (just verbal scatting).  
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Karl Seglem - "Springar frå fjord". We're in the area of Nordic folk music here. At least so it begins with a violin (or is it a hardingsfele?). It is counterpointed by an electric base and rhythmic percussion instruments and later a saxophone. From around 4:00 the folk section ends, and we get a sort of rock comp to a sax solo. Wit h the heavy drumming it is almost a bit metal-like, just without guitars. The folk violin re-enters around 8:00, and so the song ends. Very nice track that I really enjoyed listening to. The folk section is my favourite part since I have a sort spot for many kinds of folk music.
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Ravel - Piano concerto in G-major, 2nd movement: I often attend classical concerts, especially the local symphony orchestra in Aarhus where I live, and I have heard this piece performed there several times. Not enough to know it by heart though. But the first minutes without the orchestra are unearthly beautiful. When the orchestra sets in, the feeling almost resembles that of a Mozart adagio (indeed Ravel claimed to be inspired by the slow movement of Mozart's clarinet quintet), and some of the harmonic changes are quite classicist. Of course it has the twist of 20th Century classical music to it with a touch of atonality now and then. Towards the end (with the cor anglais) it becomes less classicist.
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

One of my favorite things..Snicolette posted Quicksilver so here's Buffalo Springfield...as far as I know not on cd anywhere... only on this double vinyl which I have a copy of.

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Just had a chance to listen, have not heard that in years.  We used to have the LP, but no more.  I had the great privilege of seeing this original line-up rehearsing at Stephen Stills' home in Encino back in 1986, one of my favourite things that I ever got to do, working in "the business."  He did a really similar kind of thing just jamming with Neil on a song (just verbal scatting).  

I'm very jealous....Springfield, Stills, Young, etc are some of my very favorite musicians .
All the various incarnations back then are worth having in one's collection.
Can you tell the story of how you were able to hear the Stills jam...?
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:


Just had a chance to listen, have not heard that in years.  We used to have the LP, but no more.  I had the great privilege of seeing this original line-up rehearsing at Stephen Stills' home in Encino back in 1986, one of my favourite things that I ever got to do, working in "the business."  He did a really similar kind of thing just jamming with Neil on a song (just verbal scatting).  

I'm very jealous....Springfield, Stills, Young, etc are some of my very favorite musicians .
All the various incarnations back then are worth having in one's collection.
Can you tell the story of how you were able to hear the Stills jam...?
  It is a bit of a story, as a couple of things are linked together.  So bear with me.  Smile

Our bus company actually started as an artist management company, Geordie Hormel, who owned The Village Recorder, needed someone and Dewey Martin and Bruce Palmer had been working with the person who Geordie had asked to leave (as he was ripping Geordie off), with the potential of a Buffalo Springfield reunion.  My (now ex) husband knew Dewey and had met Geordie a couple of times, so we had a meeting with him and he let us take over.  

My ex had mostly been a concert promoter in the past and knew everyone from those days in management in LA.  We put the "Buffalo Springfield Revisited," on a small club tour (Neil sanctioned the name and this was to give Bruce and Dewey a living until the reunion was possible....they'd both sold their rights to the name to him, so he had majority holding of the name in the band).  They did a pretty great tribute offering, finding a guy who was really good at mimicking both Stephen's and Neil's vocals and they had a very capable guitarist and keyboardist on board as well...

The tour bus owner, who lived in New Orleans, heard that Geordie Hormel was "looking for a fleet of tour buses," (total rumour) and said he'd wanted to set up an LA office, would Geordie be interested?  We made a commission on the buses we leased, and, eventually grew into our own company.  Since the ex knew everyone, our first two tours, starting in Dec 1986 were Madonna and Duran Duran and the company grew like crazy.  So the original band did rehearse, once, for several days and we were allowed in, being Bruce and Dewey's managers.  The guy who filmed it signed a document saying he wouldn't release the film until after the reunion.  After Bruce and Dewey died, before the "reunion," at Bonnaroo, there are now clips of it on YT.  At the time of the rehearsal, they'd been asked by MTV to do 3 songs at one of their summer break shows, for a cool million $.  

It was absolutely a huge thrill for me, they were and are one of my favourite bands of all time.  It is sad that they never did get everyone back together again after that rehearsal, Bruce and Dewey did make a great rhythm section and they were both also characters and fun to work with.
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Your nice comments on Blumfeld, Meredith Monk and Tied & Tickled Trio really warmed my heart. One thing that surprises me is that nobody has yet written that they know Meredith Monk... I mean she's not super-prominent, but I thought that she is something of a secret star, very secret indeed... (of course you haven't said you didn't know her either, but normally the "I know this" shout is louder, dunno). If you indeed didn't know her and like the linked track, start exploring her catalogue - it's quite rich and she has her trademark sound that is clearly to hear on that track. On the other hand everyone including myself seems to know Marquee Moon (which is a great little indie epic by the way), wouldn't have expected that either (although it is clear that this is not obscure). I also know the Allmans of course, but not this particular recording - they do what they're best at there and hardly anyone else is better than them at this.

I haven't listened to the end yet and unfortunately, due to work commitments and deadlines before X-mas, I hear most stuff while doing other things, but I have already discovered some really great stuff (of course many have played to my experimental side). Just to mention a few:
Death Cab for Cutie - I love how this gets more and more intense, I could happily listen to it for even longer.
Roadmap - Of course I was going to like this... I'm very predictable, am I not? Same comment for Wrak and The Summoning, this comment doesn't really say anything about the music, I know, but all three of these are of the kind that I'd immerdiately marry, errr, buy.
Gomez - I have one of their albums and find it so-so - I became aware of them because they were managed by Comsat Angels' Stephen Fellows (frontman of one of my absolute favourite bands). Now this one is much more like it - they put more in it, more experiment and surprises, and I like the general atmosphere/
Dissoi Logoi - good relaxed sound and great musicality - reminds me of some of Didier Malherbe's stuff.
Giant Locomotion: Played with so much passion and energy, no way not to love this.

More later.

PS: Some of this stuff has got to be put on PA, no?


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^ Re Meredith Monk, she was very well known in the SF bay area when I lived there in the 90s. I think I played a show where a group I was in opened for her performance, but it has been a long time.
KPFA public radio was big on promoting her.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:


Gomez - I have one of their albums and find it so-so - I became aware of them because they were managed by Comsat Angels' Stephen Fellows (frontman of one of my absolute favourite bands). Now this one is much more like it - they put more in it, more experiment and surprises, and I like the general atmosphere/


Gomez is one of those bands that have a good number of albums out, but it's a sort of hit and miss affair with them, I have found.  They have some great things and some that are more so-so like you said.  I'm still in the process of going through their discography, but as I go along, their music is always interesting enough to keep exploring when I find gems like the one I posted.

I agree that I need to also explore Meredith Monk's music as I absolutely love the track you posted.  I don't know her music unfortunately, but I intend to change that now.


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Since we have more time added to this poll, I hope no one minds if I add a couple more.  If you don't have the time to listen to them, no problem, but I really wanted to post these other two to see your reactions.

Going to the jazzier side of things here is Mingus Big Band - "Moanin' "



And finally an art pop band.  of Montreal - "No Conclusion"



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01 PuD, Ailsean, Flik, C. Engstrom, Wild Cat - Excitebike etc. - Bike Kid: The Musical (Team 80s): Well, it would be fair to say that this is very far from what I normally listen to. The whole atmosphere is very melodramatic and bombastic. I assume this is what they are trying to achieve, but for me it's just a bit too much. Musically the piece is quite eclectic: We go from hard rock in the beginning to some very 80's sounding funk around 3:00. After 4:00 we're into a more uptempo song, but the sound is still very 80's like, Then there's a Queen-like guitar riff, and a synth riff that could have come right out of a hair metal song. There are some prog elemets in it too, and some of the drumfills sound like they could have been played by Phil Collins. Unfortunately it does not appeal to me. I appreciate the musical structure and the proggy elements in it - it's just too over-the-top for me.


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