If it's Fusion, is it also Prog?

In its broadest sense of being 'progressive' - (definition; happening or developing gradually or in stages), is it reasonable to define any new fusion music as progressive?

Strange it's not working, try the link - https://youtu.be/HnI6UT06Oto

^^ That's very true and progressive (adjective) rock and Progressive Rock (i.e Prog -- noun) as a genre are not necessarily the same thing.

Progressive music comes in many shapes.

Sorry to digress, and not to get too much into the old progressive vs. Prog discussion which has been done so many times at this site, but I have rather thought that when progressive rock became codified as the Progressive Rock genre it became less interesting. I'm more interested in progressive music. When it became less about experimentation, expanding the rock lexicon and breaking the typical conventions, and it was more about sounding like and imitating others deemed Prog, much of it could become quite stale and much less adventurous. Much of Prog is so generic, what I sometimes call Prog-by-numbers, and I would like more that are Prog genre bending and progress farther from any rock roots.

There's more to Prog than that still, it is also about the progression in the way the way the music is composed, and Prog can be quite a nebulous label. The recycling of old ideas, and fusion of styles, has been and continues to be important to Prog. I sometimes think that if a band is trying to be Prog then it's not likely to be that interesting. I do like a progressive approach to making music.

I have come to appreciate more of the retro Prog acts (a sort of regressive Progressive Rock), but most often I like it when there is something unique to the approach. I love many that draw on old Krautrock and exotica/ lounge of the 60s. Much of my favourite progressive music is not really rock.

Sorry, this could be much better expressed. Anyway, suffice to say that fusion that creates something truly new due to a unique fusion of influences and approach might well be considered progressive, but not necessarily Prog or to be considered Prog Related category worthy or fitting of the PR parameters (even if there is some relation to bands considered to be Prog, no matter how distant).

By the way, I hope you don't mind, but I will move this to General Music discussions because this seems to be a more general progressive music and relate discussion (lots of non-Prog progressive music), and this forum is intended to be about acts included in the Prog Related and Proto Prog categories at PA.

Edited by Logan - December 10 2020 at 11:22

Logan wrote: By the way, I hope you don't mind, but I will move this to General Music discussions because this seems to be a more general progressive music and relate discussion (lots of non-Prog progressive music), and this forum is intended to be about acts included in the Prog Related and Proto Prog categories at PA.

What exactly is fusion? Just jazz fusion? Is it applicable to genres like pop or metal?

Imo, fusion, psychedelic, post rock and electronic are all separate categories and not really part of prog in the strictest sense. The same thing with prog metal. It's not metal prog it's prog metal and metal is related but not the same as rock. That being said I don't really have a problem with any of them being on this website because it can help people explore and discover new music outside of just the traditional prog.

BaldFriede wrote: Apparently innovation is not considered to be a factor on this site, as proven by the rejection of Barbara Dennerlein who is innovative in many ways - use of MIDI-technology for the Hammond B-3, innovative style of bass pedal playing and playing jazz on church organs on a regular basis.

verslibre wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: Video doesn't work. Absolutely not. Jazz-rock like Kenny G is fusion but not progressive. Kenny G is not progressive (except when it comes to managing his bank account), nor is he fusion. He's lounge jazz.