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Heart of the Matter 
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Since debate about the entire output & career of a given artist as "Proto-Prog" may be overcomplex and contradictory, I propose to discuss single albums or tracks, let's say, to dicuss "Then Play On" or "Oh Well", instead of the entire Fleetwood Mac stuff.
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A Crimson Mellotron
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Posted: November 11 2020 at 14:05 |
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Bela Bartok was Proto-Prog.
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Posted: November 11 2020 at 15:42 |
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(What do I see..?) Bela rules, that's for sure, my point here is: can you single out some specific piece of music where that "prog quality" shines specially bright? If so, we will have a better, more precise start for analysis.
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Posted: November 11 2020 at 16:59 |
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I would say as far as modern popular rock music, the Beach Boys exhibit the spirit of Prog, Art-rock & avant-gard on their landmark but almost completely missed album Smiley Smile from '67-- itself a stillborn, unfinished version of the even more amazing 'Smile' which was never produced until much later. After that, The Nice took up the call with Thoughts and Ars Longis, but they are almost full fleged prog by then. |
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Posted: November 11 2020 at 18:53 |
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Great, besides Smiley Smile I think that Good Vibrations and Pet Sounds also qualify, now, are these achievements enough to turn their status from "surfing clowns" to "proto-prog wizards"?
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 08:56 |
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I think most of the bands and lp's in our proto prog page and database are accuratetly listed......but having said that to me one of my favorite lp's of all time definitely qualifies in that area....
12 Dreams of Dr Sardonicus by Spirit. Also another one of my old favorites a one off obscure US band called 'Touch'. I'll be palying this one later today on my new Jamo speakers.  Edited by dr wu23 - November 12 2020 at 09:05 |
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 09:02 |
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 09:07 |
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In Held Twas an I by Procol Harum is perhaps the strongest song in that regard even though Procol Harum is in a prog propper sub genre in PA that song signifies prog, in a proto-prog standard.
Light my Fire by the Doors is another song. With its extencive keyboard solo, the Zombies with Care of Cell 44 and spessialy Shes Not There with its jazzy chords. Edited by Icarium - November 12 2020 at 09:09 |
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 09:35 |
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 The Velvet Underground & Nico, arguably the first album that can be properly categorized as Art Rock.
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if you mention The Doors, their epics/longer songs are to be mentioned, especially When the Music's over, Celebration of the Lizard, The Soft Parade and The End.
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 11:03 |
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 I assume that was supposed to be a clever joke.......
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 11:47 |
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The three cornerstone albums of prog: Days Of Future Passed by The Moody Blues, Ars Longa Vita Brevis by the Nice, and Shine On Brightly by Procol Harum. And nothing by the VU.
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 11:49 |
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And luckily, Sventonio is not here to endlessly argue for In A Doll's House by Family.
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 12:12 |
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Spirit 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus, Paul McCartney's Ram, Deep Purple Fireball got heavy rotation with me when they first came out. (I was 12 and 13 at the time) But if I think back to the really early stuff that I heard on the 'ol AM Transistor, before I knew anything about bands, songs like Crimson and Clover, Who Planted Thorns in Miss Alice's Garden and Suite: Judy Blue Eyes were songs that come to mind as 'progressive' for a 10-11 year old kid riding his bike around the neighborhood. I think all the 'classic' proto stuff at the time (Zeppelin, Doors, Stones) was, for the most part, being played on FM stations and evening radio shows in my somewhat conservative hometown (London ON). Something I didn't have access to at the time. As for The Velvet Underground, Proto Punk at best. Even today it just sounds like a garage band to me, very little allure. |
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 12:22 |
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Well...I like that Family lp...it's pretty good...and I think it can qualify as proto prog in some ways... though I always liked Audience better...not sure why. Two bands that imho are very similar.
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Don't get me started on that one. The quick answer is 'yes'. |
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Posted: November 12 2020 at 16:34 |
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Not only quick, but right too! Here I start another one: listening carefully to Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well", with that stunning combination of riffage an classical piano & guitar, a resemblance emerges: "South Side Of The Sky", by Yes, also with heavy riff in the beginning, and classical piano middle section. Sowing the seeds of prog...
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12 Dreams
Yup, today some revisionists will call Velvet Art Rock, because of the Warhol connection. |
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