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Poll Question: Vote for three you like -- and the academy awards go to?
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:


By the way, there is a not much interest in the prog polls, so I'll leave that one alone.

...or people just think, I'm happy to participate in a prog poll but I'm less happy to be asked all the time "should I do this or that" and rather than asking, you can just do. Wink Or the avalanche of postings here and things to listen to is just too much to answer to everything.

By the way, look at the Interactive poll team thread. I don't want to take my spot the following week so you may offer to jump in.

It's no problem, which is why I was asking in the first place.  I know there is the matter of time and etc. when doing polls, so, since there hasn't been a prog poll for a while, I thought I would just ask to see if anyone would be interested.  I did get a few responses, but the lack of responses usually means there isn't any interest.  Anyhoo, I don't really want to jump in on this non-prog poll either, I'd rather let anyone who wants to to have a turn first.  I've been pretty busy lately, so its all probably for the best, if you know what I mean.

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My podium:

1) Wim Mertens - "Struggling for Pleasure" - The Belly of an ... 

If I have to be honest, this is the only soundtrack that I consider at the same high level of sound quality as Preisner's for The Double Life of Veronika which I proposed. By this I don't mean that this poll is of low quality, on the contrary, it's a poll full of beautiful songs, but on my personal, intimate, emotional level, these two songs touch me in a very different way from the others. If I can say my opinion as a music critic (it is the first time I do it in this area), this piece by Mertens combines truly remarkable composition, sound and pathos throughout his piece, and I consider it wonderful. The piece of Preisner proposed by me, however, is less academic, and it is all inspiration, it has moments of pause and others of progression and at a certain point it reaches a peak, a climax that touches me with an almost violent emotional intensity, which only I rarely find it in music.

Second, and so far I have no doubts, there is 

2) Tan Dun - "Farewell" - Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Excellent composition. 

For the third place I am very undecided between
- Maurice Jarre - "Lara's Theme" - Doctor Zhivago
- Nino Rota - "Romeo and Juliet" theme - Romeo and Juliet
- Clint Mansell - "Pi R Squared" - Pi.

For different reasons and atmospheres I like all three very much. But this time I choose Micky, since he has already touched the podium without reaching him. I have to abandon the other two in fourth place on equal terms with a tear on my face. 

Finally, honorable mentions,
 
5) Bernard Herrmann - "Vertigo Theme" - Vertigo
6) Paul Giovanni & Magnet - "Willow's Song" - The Wicker Man.



Edited by jamesbaldwin - July 10 2020 at 16:13
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PS I'm surprised no one proposed a John Williams soundtrack.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

PS I'm surprised no one proposed a John Williams soundtrack.

The Imperial March from Star Wars?
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

PS I'm surprised no one proposed a John Williams soundtrack.

The Imperial March from Star Wars?

Oh... yes, strangely I hadn't seen it!
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

My podium:

1) Wim Mertens - "Struggling for Pleasure" - The Belly of an ... 

If I have to be honest, this is the only soundtrack that I consider at the same high level of sound quality as Preisner's for The Double Life of Veronika which I proposed. By this I don't mean that this poll is of low quality, on the contrary, it's a poll full of beautiful songs, but on my personal, intimate, emotional level, these two songs touch me in a very different way from the others. If I can say my opinion as a music critic (it is the first time I do it in this area), this piece by Mertens combines truly remarkable composition, sound and pathos throughout his piece, and I consider it wonderful. The piece of Preisner proposed by me, however, is less academic, and it is all inspiration, it has moments of pause and others of progression and at a certain point it reaches a peak, a climax that touches me with an almost violent emotional intensity, which only I rarely find it in music.

Second, and so far I have no doubts, there is 

2) Tan Dun - "Farewell" - Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Excellent composition. 

For the third place I am very undecided between
- Maurice Jarre - "Lara's Theme" - Doctor Zhivago
- Nino Rota - "Romeo and Juliet" theme - Romeo and Juliet
- Clint Mansell - "Pi R Squared" - Pi.

For different reasons and atmospheres I like all three very much. But this time I choose Micky, since he has already touched the podium without reaching him. I have to abandon the other two in fourth place on equal terms with a tear on my face. 

Finally, honorable mentions,
 
5) Bernard Herrmann - "Vertigo Theme" - Vertigo
6) Paul Giovanni & Magnet - "Willow's Song" - The Wicker Man.

As always, well thought out and well said, Lorenzo.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2020 at 17:19
Thanks; I'm uplifted by the many warm words on Wim Mertens. If you don't know his other work yet, check him out! Much of it is very good.
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I added my comment about BrufordFreak's nomination in my full-synopses about the songs put here, except those of mine of course (page 7). I'll be voting after 12-15 hours or so.

^ Thank you Lorenzo, really glad that you find the piece I nominated impressive and chose it.
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I voted:
 
1. Clint Mansell - "Pi R Squared"- Pi
2. John Murphy - "In the House, In a Heartbeat" - 28 Days Later
3. Reznor & Ross - "Technically, Missing" - Gone Girl
 
I went for the modern sounding pieces rather than the classical sounding pieces.
 
 
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

I added my comment about BrufordFreak's nomination in my full-synopses about the songs put here, except those of mine of course (page 7). I'll be voting after 12-15 hours or so.

^ Thank you Lorenzo, really glad that you find the piece I nominated impressive and chose it.

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I must admit I saw less than half of these movies. Movies like "Gladiator" or "Exorcist II" just don't interest me at all.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I must admit I saw less than half of these movies. Movies like "Gladiator" or "Exorcist II" just don't interest me at all.


Well, it's more about listening to the music than having watched the films. With many of my favourite soundtracks in my collection I have never seen the film. But I liked the idea of perhaps a little film discussion to go with the listening of the soundtracks, and generally prefer to focus on those that I like than the ones I don't like. There are various films I love, from which a soundtrack was mentioned, and some films I don't. I did say that I didn't enjoy Gladiator, and Lord of the Rings for my own reasons, but In the case of Gladiator part of that was because I loved a somewhat similar one called Titus from the same year (which was more playful and less typical Hollywood epic) that I had recently seen, but in general I'd rather focus on the positive than the negative (and just because one didn't resonate with me doesn't mean it's bad or anything like that).

Films like The Double Life of Veronique, The Belly of an Architect, The Wicker Man, Vertigo, Crouching Tiger..., Doctor Zhivago, PI, This is Spinal Tap, and 28 Days Later I loved or enjoyed considerably. Some of those rank amongst my favourite films.

I had hoped you might nominate a film soundtrack choice this round.
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OK, after a final round of listening, my votes are in! Here's my top 3:

Tan Dun - Farewell (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon): the perfect complement to the movie's hauntingly beautiful imagery

Reznor & Ross - Technically, Missing (Gone Girl): something I'd enjoy listening to anyway, even without the accompaniment of a movie

Wim Mertens - Struggling for Pleasure (The Belly of an Architect): Outstanding piece of music

Honourable mentions:
Aaron Copland - Our Town Suite (Our Town)
Paul Giovanni & Magnet - Willow's Song (The Wicker Man)

Though all of the tracks are excellent in their own different ways, this time around I found it harder to relate to many of them, because soundtracks don't work as well as "independent" songs without the images and words they are meant to accompany. Additionally, though I am a fan of both Lisa Gerrard and Annie Lennox, their songs left me rather cold.

The Spinal Tap song would also deserve a mention of its own. Believe it or not, I've never seen the movie, though I've been aware of it since it was first released. The funny thing is that the song's lyrics, though meant as parody, are not that different from those of many metal and hip-hop songs.



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I just go through the list for the second time.
My favourites are (in order of appearance, or rather in some not totally logical order)):

Willow's song: This reminds me of Elfin Boy by Curved Air, a magical piece of music. I tried to look up which one is earlier, but it seems both are 1973. Maybe they were composed independently of each other at the same time? Maybe there was something in the air...?

Now we are free: Nice dynamics and a motif that pulls me in and stays in my ear. Perfect for an epic film.

In the house, in a heartbeat: I wrote earlier that I favour soundtracks that work for me as music only and don't shout at me "I am a soundtrack, I need a film to go with me". Paradoxically I listen to a lot of music that friends & family think of as "soundtrack music" because they would think the music will work well with a film, but often there is none. This one is a good example of "soundtracky" music that for me doesn't need a film, but many people I know would think of as  typical soundtrack music. Actually I think it's a very well done piece of post rock. Everything, even the strong contrast at 3:30, seems organic and logical to me. 

Magic and Ecstasy: It seems I have underestimated Morricone in the sense that I thought he was a great soundtrack composer, but for soundtracks that need the film to work for me. This however is another one that stands very well on its own feet. This has almost Univers Zero-like haunting qualities. Morricone is probably best when he rocks. Maybe some development is missing for making this top 3 (and Morricone is dead, so he won't mind anymore if I don't vote for him).

Concerto in Mi Mineur (in the list as "Van Den Budenmeyer" - I don't know what is the proper title of this): This is a phantastically impressive composition, both sophisticated and emotional. I have seen the film a very very long time ago and I don't remember anymore what happened when this was played, but I imagine to find it hard to stick to the film with my awareness when such a thing is played.

Technically Missing: Another track that has the atmospheric qualities and dynamic of good post rock. Very good to listen to, maybe not quite enough musical substance to reach the podium.

Lara's Theme: Probably too obviously soundtrack music, but what an iconic theme this is!

Pi R^2: I have a soft spot for well done technoid music, and this is a perfect example. Sharp and relentless.

Romeo and Juliet Theme: I'm not mentioning this because it were a podium candidate, actually it's not. But it is the perfect illustration of the issue with some soundtrack music. It has different parts all of which I actually like a lot - but the way they are put together in my ears clearly follows a film logic and not a music logic. Ptrobably it's the same thing with the Nino Rota one from Dolce Vita that I posted myself out of competition.

Let me also say that I enjoyed the Spinal Tap film a lot and the song is fun... but there's too good competition here to vote for it on musical grounds.

OK, now I have to boil this down to three...


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OK, top 4 are:
Willow's song, In the house in a heartbeat, Concerto in Mi Minor, and Pi R^2. Now that's one too many. As so often. Wacko
The overall quality of this is very high, thanks to all of you!
I have a really hard time bringing myself to not voting for one of these. Unhappy

I think at the end I'll kick Willow's song out because it is not quite as good as Elfin Boy, even though I can't really compare it to the others.

So it's
In the house, the Concerto, and Pi. No ranking here, they're all good enough to deserve a number one spot.

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Sorry for the delay. Some unexpected and long WhatsApp discussion took place on Turkish politics. I'll place my votes soon enough, that is after I go to bed and wake up and feel myself ready for another ride on your nominations.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2020 at 19:59
No hurry, Ozgur, I'd say. I've come in late on a couple of these as I recall (posted my choices after the next poll started), and a few have yet to post their choices. I look forward to reading it.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:


Concerto in Mi Mineur (in the list as "Van Den Budenmeyer" - I don't know what is the proper title of this): This is a phantastically impressive composition, both sophisticated and emotional. I have seen the film a very very long time ago and I don't remember anymore what happened when this was played, but I imagine to find it hard to stick to the film with my awareness when such a thing is played.


Do you want to know what happened when the music was played?
Read below.


Well, when the music is close to reach the climax, the girl... die singing.



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