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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2020 at 15:49
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

A friend of mine just invited me to a Marillion quiz night!! I was like WTF? He claims he thought I liked them. Clearly he hasn't been checking my posts on FB.


I'd say "Fine", and then add, "I assume that I can expect your presence at my Univers Zero quiz night."

I'm assuming this is an online quiz night, and not a physical get-together as

Let's not get physical, physical
Don't want to get physical...

I'd go to an Olivia Newton John quiz night, but not get physical.

I would only get physical with Olivia Newton John. Wink LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2020 at 17:56
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

A friend of mine just invited me to a Marillion quiz night!! I was like WTF? He claims he thought I liked them. Clearly he hasn't been checking my posts on FB.


I'd say "Fine", and then add, "I assume that I can expect your presence at my Univers Zero quiz night."

I'm assuming this is an online quiz night, and not a physical get-together as

Let's not get physical, physical
Don't want to get physical...

I'd go to an Olivia Newton John quiz night, but not get physical.


I would only get physical with Olivia Newton John. Wink LOL


You're more of a man than me. I'm so worried about COVID-19 that it might override any urge to "let me hear her body talk, her body talk" up close and personal. Now if it was the opportunity to be the filling in a Juice Newton and Sir Isaac Newton sandwich, well, that definitely wouldn't be for me (sorry Isaac, there's just no gravitational attraction).
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

While I think the Neo definition doesn't need to change, I actually think some of the sub-genres here also need to either be split up, or have some sub-sub-categories. Take Heavy Prog. May Blitz, and Haken??? The earlier bands (Deep Purple-esque) should be separated from the post-Rush kind of bands. Plus, Haken's newest albums are straight Prog Metal. Another band that could use the treatment I posted on just above.

I don't mean to seem exclusionary. I am in no way saying "_____ doesn't belong in ______ because [reason that is more based on not liking the band despite liking other bands of the sub-genre]." I just think this can clear up confusion. Probably because I'm just pedantic. I realize this kind of stuff isn't easy to just implement on the spot, too.

I also think Deep Purple belongs under Heavy Prog tbh. And Blackstar by David Bowie is a modern prog masterpiece but doesn't get to be compared to the other prog albums which is kinda unfortunate. I mean if Peter Gabriel is Crossover prog I see no reason why Bowie cant be.

See, if we gave sub-genre listings to different periods, or even album to album, we could be more accurate with artists like David Bowie and Peter Gabriel. The first four Gabriel definitely belong in Crossover, but So? Maybe not so much (not a comment on the quality of the record, mind you). Same deal with Bowie's discography. I know it would be pretty difficult to go album by album, so I'm not about to complain that it hasn't happened yet, but there has to be something that can be done at some point. I know the site has undergone changes in the past.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2020 at 05:56
^^^We also have kind of blue as the 29th best prog albums of all time. Wonderful record, but everyone and their mom knows that’s just a jazz record. Bitches Brew and In a Silent Way? Hell yeah put them on the top 100 those are awesome progressive albums. I doubt we’ll ever see an overhaul like that but it sure would be nice.

I also feel if Uriah heap is heavy prog than deep purple just has to be.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2020 at 07:19
Pendragon Arrived yesterday, just listened to it for the first time. Wow! I really enjoyed that, wasn't sure what to expect. I have to listen a few more times to make a fair judgement but the band really nailed the atmosphere on this album. Favorite track on first listen was Eternal Light.
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Neo Prog is just a something journalist called the 80`s prog movement so its still PROG!!!! 
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TBH, Tales from the Lush Attic by IQ is pretty fuсking incredible.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Have you heard Sanguine Hum, The Psychedelic Ensemble, Frost*, Subsignal, or Sylvan?
I love Subsignal, but I'm unsure about their classification of neo-prog.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2020 at 22:21
Recommendation of the new Pendragon album to all, second listen today and I LOVE IT! Is it 5 stars? Ehhhh im not convinced yet, but its awesome! This is coming from someone who has never heard a pendragon album before this.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Recommendation of the new Pendragon album to all, second listen today and I LOVE IT! Is it 5 stars? Ehhhh im not convinced yet, but its awesome! This is coming from someone who has never heard a pendragon album before this.
 

Excellent recommendation I would add IQ Subterranea 
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Originally posted by softandwet softandwet wrote:

I think I don't like Neo Prog because it is way too outdated and has a very 80-90ish sound : too much clearness, a lack of emotion, a digital sound (not an analogic one). This is definitely not my cup of tea for a 70's prog lover as me but the fact is that I don't dislike 80's and 90's music but I like it punk, so the Neo Prog domain is maybe too Pop for me, too clean. I don't know. But I feel like making a mistake when I see the high ratings of Neo Prog albums such as IQ's, Marillion's or Flower King's

No need to change your mind because I 100% agree with you. I don't get the attraction to it either.
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Your mind is your own. If you want to change it, you need to do it yourself. Just because someone else likes something, it won’t make any difference to whether you like it or not.

We spend too much time being told what we should or shouldn’t like by supposed experts and informed critics.

I notice in lots of people’s top lists, they often select what they think they should select rather than what they genuinely like. It’s as if they are afraid not to conform to the accepted critical views: a fear of being perceived as a cultural philistine.

This has given rise to the term ‘guilty pleasure’ - we like something that is uncool, critically-condemned, almost shameful. We reluctantly admit our guilty pleasure with a sheepish, almost apologetic shrug of the shoulders.

Throw off these mind-forged manacles and go your own way!

Buy that 1970s country and western album instead of something by Joy Division and bask in the sunshine of independent thought, regardless of the attitudes and opinions of others.

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Originally posted by Green Shield Stamp Green Shield Stamp wrote:

Your mind is your own. If you want to change it, you need to do it yourself. Just because someone else likes something, it won’t make any difference to whether you like it or not.

We spend too much time being told what we should or shouldn’t like by supposed experts and informed critics.

I notice in lots of people’s top lists, they often select what they think they should select rather than what they genuinely like. It’s as if they are afraid not to conform to the accepted critical views: a fear of being perceived as a cultural philistine.

This has given rise to the term ‘guilty pleasure’ - we like something that is uncool, critically-condemned, almost shameful. We reluctantly admit our guilty pleasure with a sheepish, almost apologetic shrug of the shoulders.

Throw off these mind-forged manacles and go your own way!

Buy that 1970s country and western album instead of something by Joy Division and bask in the sunshine of independent thought, regardless of the attitudes and opinions of others.



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‘You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink’.......
I would never wish anyone to ‘change my mind’ on anything.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Doctor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2020 at 18:28
I love it.  But then I grew up with it in the early/mid 80s.  Everybody should listen to what they like, and while I've changed my mind on some less accessible stuff (I used to find Zeuhl and jazz fusion to be rather boring, now I'm a fan of both), but neo is usually pretty accessible and not a taste I would think one would have to acquire.  If it doesn't light your Lucky, it doesn't light your Lucky. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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If neoprog was marillion then I am confused, because marillion sound like genesis.....who were the originators. It's a paradox!!!
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In most cases you have to be a Brit to love Marillion. That band doesn't have a big appeal outside of their homeland, esp. they have a very little appeal to Americans.




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Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

In most cases you have to be a Brit to love Marillion. That band doesn't have a big appeal outside of their homeland, esp. they have a very little appeal to Americans.

And yet when they tour they always gather crowds. 
Have you seen them live, because apparently they are quite popular in the Netherlands. LOL 
There are always Marillion weekends in Holland (and Canada). 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

In most cases you have to be a Brit to love Marillion. That band doesn't have a big appeal outside of their homeland, esp. they have a very little appeal to Americans.

And yet when they tour they always gather crowds. 
Have you seen them live, because apparently they are quite popular in the Netherlands. LOL 
The are always Marillion weekends in Holland (and Canada). 


Really? I was totally unaware of that. I know they were big over here but hated by critics.
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