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Tendiwa
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I have listened to Baba Yaga La Sorcière. MDK with adapted lyrics sung a children's choir. I like the music, but I would rather hear a more tight and full bodied sounding adult choir. Their are a few somewhat older girls singing, however, I think to keep things together. Still, it's a fun change to hear this version.
You can hear it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUa9h5Jsm54
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hellogoodbye
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Les passages sous cocaïne de David Bowie l'amènent à développer une fascination pour Adolf Hitler et le nazisme. "Il ne les admirait pas, ne les aimait pas, mais il était fasciné par eux", explique l'un de ses proches, Glen Hughes. "Il ne voulait que regarder encore et encore des films à propos des nazis. Il n'a jamais fait de salut nazi, c'était juste une fascination."
David Bowie’s cocaine passages lead him to develop a fascination for Adolf Hitler and Nazism. " He didn’t admire them, didn’t like them, but he was fascinated by them," explains one of his relatives, Glen Hughes. "He just wanted to watch more and more movies about the Nazis. He never did a Nazi salute, it was just a fascination." |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I haven't read through all five pages of this so I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Lemmy from Motorhead(and Hawkwind)collected Nazi memorabilia and I'm pretty sure he wasn't a racist. In fact I'm pretty sure he dated a black woman at one point if I'm not mistaken.
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Tendiwa
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I can understand that someone has a fascination for something that he doesn't necessarily approve of. Lots of people find the dark and violent side of humanity fascinating. Even something as vile as Nazi history. For instance because of the mysticism surrounding it, or the grandiose of its aesthetics. And I absolutely hate fascism and everything about it.
Even if Christian Vander has some dubious ways or beliefs, I doubt that he really is a supported of nazi ideology. Because fascists are usually obvious and not very secretive. Can we talk about music again?
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Logan
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I'm fascinated by many things of which I don't approve.
I'm fascinated with the Heaven's Gate cult, and have really researched it, referenced it, and listened to so much about it, but it doesn't mean I would follow it, support it, or go join a cult. I feel terrible for all those negatively affected by it. Part of it is just wanting to understand, and make sense of horrible things. I'm interested in psychology, sociology and philosophy, and history, and those interests intersect with many disturbing things. Edited by Logan - April 03 2020 at 14:49 |
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Tendiwa
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Well put!
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The Anders
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Hm well, what can I say? I am a big admirer if Richard Wagner as a composer and artistic visionary. He clearly had some views that are not very nice, and his work has been used in some not very nice ways too. But if you just take his work for what it is and focus on the art more than the artist, it is amazing with multiple musical and artistic layers and many ways if interpretation. It is up to the perceiver how (s)he wants to understand it. But I know people who won't listen to Wagner because of its historical connotations, and I understand it and respect it.
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Lewian
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Although I personally don't feel much affected by this discussion, this (and what several others wrote in the same vein) makes me think that if Vander were simply fascinated by Hitler/Nazi culture/fascism but wouldn't support it at all, what would stop him from just saying so unambiguously and clearing the air?
Nope.
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jamesbaldwin
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I like Magma very much, but but I haven't listened to them often. I have yet to start listening to them systematically. Scaruffi says that above all in the beginning they are followers of Gong, for the universe they create. I Gong, another very creative and original group. But overall I think I like Magma better.
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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YESESIS
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Same. I'm starting to like Gong a lot but they have no album nearly as special for me as MDK, almost no one does.
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Mortte
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I also really love both bands, but Magma is also to me greater. But to me Magma´s first album is their "magnum opus". MDK is of course really great too as also 2, Tristan & Iseult (Wurdah Itah), Köhntarkösz, K.A and Êmëhntëhtt-Ré.
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Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to.
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Tendiwa
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Is the Theusz Hamtaahk Trilogie in the mythologically cronic order: Theusz Hamtaahk, Ẁurdah Ïtah, Mekanïk Destruktïẁ Kommandöh?
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dr prog
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Love em but mdk is a bit boring
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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YESESIS
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Haha. I like that. I love classic, Peter Gabriel Genesis.. But Selling England by the Pound is boring son.
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Tendiwa
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I didn't know K.A, Köhntarkösz and Emëhntëhtt-Ré are also a trilogy! The Theusz Hamtaahk trilogy was released in its entirety on the 2001 live album, but many people prefer other versions of the three parts. What are your favourite versions?
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Tom Ozric
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The debut, 1001 degrees and E-Re are the mightiest works they’ve done, IMO of course. All the others are mostly great too, but the 3 I mentioned........👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
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YESESIS
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Those two I like a lot. Jazzy and just really good.
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