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moshkito
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Hi, This would resolve itself easily enough if the top 100 was about the bands and THEIR music, instead of albums ... maybe a separate poll ... but in the end, one band having 5 albums, and another band having 4 albums and another band having 4 albums, is completely ridiculous and it just shows that the top 100 poll leans towards the "favoritism" of the whole thing ... and for this, I would say that a "review" should not, necessarily mean 10 points, but I can see how it can help ... most folks, I don't know for sure, will not bother with a review and might add one that is 25 words long (silly ... something like that!) ... just to get the extra votes, like the example above ... so almost 50 years of being known and heard is total caca compared to a band from 2 years ago. THAT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP ... nothing against that band! Again, have a poll that means a lot more and make sure you say that the "top" 100 bands does not necessarily mean that one is better than the other or ranks higher ... maybe even go so far as to rank them alphabetically so I don't get tired of seeing YES and GENESIS ... all over the damn place ... and I have their albums. I think the issue is ... the Admins here don't agree on much together, and worse ... getting them together is probably impossible with folks everywhere around the world ... one of the things that the top 100 poll conveniently lacks and dislikes!
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Jazz is Jazz.
Metal is Metal. Prog is Prog. Those three genres are very close to my heart but they are separate genres. I doubt Close To The Edge appears on any jazz or metal "best of" list. This is problematic as it keeps some great LP's off the Top 100. Keep those artists on the site but off the chart!!! Like The Beatles. They are on the site but I don't see Sgt. Pepper or Abbey Road on the list... Keep the Top 100 Prog!!!
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dougmcauliffe
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I def think albums like blacksstar, abbey road and related should be included. They have the ratings, apparently they just aren’t prog enough?
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As usual it's the Admins fault - how do they have any control over the Top 100 without changing the way it's calculated? Can they even do that? To be honest, it's a long time since I looked at the Top 100. I do feel it gives a fairly good representation of classic prog albums for any coming to the site for an insight into the wonderful world of prog. It's faults? Kind of Blue as others have mentioned and the fact that new releases tend to appear high in the list at first.
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twosteves
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Tales should be on the list---its an important prog album and u can't get more proggy.
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dougmcauliffe
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It’s in my personal top 20. I wish it was as loved universally as some of their other albums. For now, I’ll just agree |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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As far as I am aware the answers are no & no. Unless they could change the weighting of collaborator & reviews. It's a popularity contest based on ratings from members. WYSIWYG.
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Ian
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chopper
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Personally I rate it above Fragile which is number 11 on the list, but that's the thing, not everyone else agrees with me for some strange reason.
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judahbenkenobi
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I've given Wobbler's "From Silence to Somewhere" and All Traps on Earth a thousand spins and just can't get to like them! I just don't understand how they're in the top 30, while ELP is barely present in the list
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LAM-SGC
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Far too much stuff that is not prog. Progressive metal is metal that has progressed within metal, it is not metal that has become prog.
Where are the progressive house, progressive garage and progressive hip hop artists then? Exactly!!!! Progressive metal is metal not prog. |
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Sorry, Greg, but I am one of the (supposedly) sentient beings who hear this album and think, "This as good as anything in the Top 100--as good as anything in the Top 10." With my first listen I'll never forget the feeling I had as all my blood drained from my head into my gut as I realized what a privilege I was having to be listening to this masterful work of dedicated prog artists (most of whom had been founding members of Änglagård). To this day I consider it as great an artistic achievement as any of the top 20, including Close to the Edge, Io sono nato libero, Godbluff, or Larks' Tongues in Aspic. An amazing album.
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I hate the fact that so many people really and truly think that prog died in 1977--that nothing of originality or merit has been created by the entire species since then! As if today's humans have no inspiration or do not put in the work to hone their craft.
I know of many young artists that work their asses off--who create highly original new music--many of whom have no idea of the references I use when I compare their sounds and styles, riffs and themes to albums, songs, or artists of the past. If everything is "derivative" then, everything is derivative--including the classical-, folk-, blues-, jazz-, psychedelia-, and technology- usurping "masters" of the 1960s and 1970s!
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gr8dane
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No gripe, couldn't care less.
Top hundred is cool to look at, but I doubt there are more than 10 of those 100,on my top 100. The only top 100 worth a damn ,is my own. So there :-)
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Shake & bake.
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cstack3
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Biggest gripe? That I'm not on it. (I'm on guitar, Denny on Rick bass).
We are playing "The Gates of Delirium" in this photo, note-for-note, just to warm up.
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ForestFriend
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As far as this website is concerned, the "Proto Prog" and "Prog Related" categories are not prog rock, so they're not included on the top 100. But I would disagree with the notion that jazz fusion or the various prog metal categories shouldn't be included. Some jazz fusion has a lot of prog rock influence (e.g., Return To Forever's Romantic Warrior) - as in, the music sounds like fusion of jazz and prog, not simply jazz and rock. And metal is a subgenre of rock, so as far as I'm concerned, a prog metal band is a kind of prog rock band. May not be your cup of tea, but removing prog metal would make as much sense as removing bands who aren't symphonic enough.
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LAM-SGC
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dougmcauliffe
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I agree, I’m all for fusion and prog metal being included. Remember, we are progarchives, not progrockarchives. Why should an album like images and words which is one of the most influential prog albums ever be excluded? Edited by dougmcauliffe - February 18 2020 at 18:03 |
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Barbu
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I don't have any.
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dr wu23
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No major gripes,,,but like some I'm not sure why some jazz and metal things are on there ahead of actual prog rock lp's.
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mathman0806
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The description in the About ProgArchives does state "... with the goal of providing extensive Progression Rock information." That said, I am fine with jazz rock fusion and prog metal categorized as types of progressive rock. For me, it's when something like Kind of Blue is included. It's not fusion, but Miles Davis is on PA for his fusion stuff. Unfortunately it's not possible to tag albums separately from the artist here. One of my favorite albums from last year is Love Remains by Tal Wilkenfeld. It's currently 52 in top 2019 albums on PA. But it's not a progressive rock album. Her previous album is a good jazz rock fusion album so she's on PA. |
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