What’s your biggest gripe with the top 100

Grumpyprogfan wrote: This... Average rating: The classic calculation of the average but more weight is affected to the rating of progarchives.com collaborators and to rating with reviews. - Rating only: Weight = 1  - Review by members : Weight = 10  - Review by PA Collaborators : Weight = 20  20 to 1? Not fair in my opinion. And Miles and all jazz-rock/fusion will never be prog for me.

Interesting point, would you change 1 to 5 or lower collaborator influence? Or both?

ForestFriend wrote: Kind Of Blue... It's a landmark jazz album for sure, perhaps progressive in its own ways, but it sure as hell ain't progressive rock in any way. Worst thing is that it's ahead of some of the Miles Davis albums that are the reason he's on PA in the first place. While I'm not going to say we should award stars based solely on how "prog" or "progressive" an album is, the definition of a 5-star rating here is "Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music" - so I think its status here is unwarranted. Other then that, I don't care. People have different opinions than me, whoop de doo.

Edited by iluvmarillion - February 17 2020 at 23:10

my favourite album (Brain Salad Surgery) doesn't make the top 100 but the rating itself is fine. There is an awful lot of stuff that is too highly rated. I wouldn't count Fragile as that is probably the best 'starter prog' album there is. Dark Side Of The Moon and In The Court Of The Crimson King are the 2 albums I would jettison from the top ten ( but fine for the top 100) . Also Rick Wakeman should have at least one album in the top 100. I would like a lot less Camel and Tull and a lot more ELP in the top 100. Don't mind Opeth appearing a lot as they are one of the post 70's BIG SIX as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by Cristi - February 18 2020 at 02:54

My grippest bike with the top 100?
That it’s a “thing”

How anyone can be annoyed by something as nonsensical as a popularity contest is beyond me. People have different tastebuds and rate the music accordingly...and the list forms after that.
That being said, one of the few real annoyances I have with it is the level of ratings manipulation that follows suit. That is just sad.

Frenetic Zetetic wrote: Cristi wrote: LAM-SGC wrote: Miles Davis? Tool? Pain of Salvation? Queensryche? I understand why some are upset with that Miles Davis album from 1959 in the top 100. Sad to see progressive metal usually bashed these days, there's hardly anyone to talk about it on the forum. Tool and Pain of Salvation are two bands that blew my mind when i first listened to a full lenth album from them. Tool with Aenema and PoS with their debut album, late 90s, I found both to be unique, interesting and very enjoyable. As for Queensryche, O:M is one of those albums that were groundbreaking when released, and it's albumthat has aged well. I got no gripes with these bands. I also find it both funny and lame seeing some people always annoyed by the top 100. I'd argue there's not a lot of high quality, non-sterile sounding progressive metal as a whole. Dream Theater is the pinnacle of what I avoid regarding progressive metal, yet they seem to be heralded as the end-all archetype of that style.  We need more stuff like Gorguts Obscura. Basically Beefheart with better gear, downtuned lol.

Cristi wrote: Frenetic Zetetic wrote: Cristi wrote: LAM-SGC wrote: Miles Davis? Tool? Pain of Salvation? Queensryche? I understand why some are upset with that Miles Davis album from 1959 in the top 100. Sad to see progressive metal usually bashed these days, there's hardly anyone to talk about it on the forum. Tool and Pain of Salvation are two bands that blew my mind when i first listened to a full lenth album from them. Tool with Aenema and PoS with their debut album, late 90s, I found both to be unique, interesting and very enjoyable. As for Queensryche, O:M is one of those albums that were groundbreaking when released, and it's albumthat has aged well. I got no gripes with these bands. I also find it both funny and lame seeing some people always annoyed by the top 100. I'd argue there's not a lot of high quality, non-sterile sounding progressive metal as a whole. Dream Theater is the pinnacle of what I avoid regarding progressive metal, yet they seem to be heralded as the end-all archetype of that style.  We need more stuff like Gorguts Obscura. Basically Beefheart with better gear, downtuned lol. Dream Theater hasn't been the pinnacle of anything in quite some time. There is plenty of intersting progressive metal out there. Sure, I've heard some bland/bad albums as well, but overall it's a genre I enjoy a lot.

The PA top 100 makes a lot more sense if you split it between everything recorded before 1980 and everything after it. 'The Human Equation' and 'Symbolic' just can't be compared to 'Godbluff' and 'Meddle'. The PA top lists can easily be adjusted to finetune ones own tastes and interests. For me it functions perfectly, especially when you also use Rate Your Music's lists generator as a back-up reference.

For writing this post I took a look to the un-altered version of the all-time top 100 and was actually a bit surprised of the may records I used to own. I started counting and came to 30 records .

dougmcauliffe wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: This... Average rating: The classic calculation of the average but more weight is affected to the rating of progarchives.com collaborators and to rating with reviews. - Rating only: Weight = 1  - Review by members : Weight = 10  - Review by PA Collaborators : Weight = 20  20 to 1? Not fair in my opinion. And Miles and all jazz-rock/fusion will never be prog for me. Interesting point, would you change 1 to 5 or lower collaborator influence? Or both?

All votes should have equal rate.

To complain just because the top 100 does not agree with my personal top 100 would be simply churlish.