Why is prog rock always called "snooty"?

rogerthat wrote: Huckabee wrote: twseel wrote: Strange to see a lot of prog fans here deride punk and hip hop for their dumb, often crude simplicity while still embracing straightforward blues, funk and hard rock, which often built their appeal on the exact same dumb and simple music with fun and relatable hooks and lyrics. It seems there's bit of snootyness preventing them from admitting that they just don't like it when music sounds too harsh or digitized for them! This kind of preference would also perhaps explain why the current prog mainstream sounds the way it does (for better or worse)... The crucial problem with Punk isn't its simplicity nor even that evident lack of musical originality, but rather the problem lies on the fact that Punk is entirely an artificial genre. So artificial indeed that it spawned a whole plethora of extreme music genres never heard before in rock.

 Good on you, son.

^ 

Edited by Tillerman88 - December 10 2019 at 11:50

Tillerman88 wrote: SteveG wrote: rogerthat wrote: Huckabee wrote: twseel wrote: Strange to see a lot of prog fans here deride punk and hip hop for their dumb, often crude simplicity while still embracing straightforward blues, funk and hard rock, which often built their appeal on the exact same dumb and simple music with fun and relatable hooks and lyrics. It seems there's bit of snootyness preventing them from admitting that they just don't like it when music sounds too harsh or digitized for them! This kind of preference would also perhaps explain why the current prog mainstream sounds the way it does (for better or worse)... The crucial problem with Punk isn't its simplicity nor even that evident lack of musical originality, but rather the problem lies on the fact that Punk is entirely an artificial genre. So artificial indeed that it spawned a whole plethora of extreme music genres never heard before in rock.     Good on you, son. ^  Goshh.. that was harsh man..... You know , The Clash may have shouted out about “No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones, in 1977!”.. But , it seems now you're adding even more originality to their claim, when the ultimate question is: "Who started the whole plethora of extreme music genres () ?" hahahah...... Anyway .... let us face it punkers , here goes a final and definitive answer to you:  without Elvis fusing R&B and country back in the mid-fifties, The Clash would have had literally nothing to respond to , damn nothing to add to the lineage of 20th century pop!

The Clash, perhaps not. We're thinking of bands like the Stranglers and Wire (look them up). Let's see you laugh your way out of that. 

Edited by SteveG - December 10 2019 at 14:34

Tillerman88 wrote: SteveG wrote: rogerthat wrote: Huckabee wrote: twseel wrote: Strange to see a lot of prog fans here deride punk and hip hop for their dumb, often crude simplicity while still embracing straightforward blues, funk and hard rock, which often built their appeal on the exact same dumb and simple music with fun and relatable hooks and lyrics. It seems there's bit of snootyness preventing them from admitting that they just don't like it when music sounds too harsh or digitized for them! This kind of preference would also perhaps explain why the current prog mainstream sounds the way it does (for better or worse)... The crucial problem with Punk isn't its simplicity nor even that evident lack of musical originality, but rather the problem lies on the fact that Punk is entirely an artificial genre. So artificial indeed that it spawned a whole plethora of extreme music genres never heard before in rock.     Good on you, son. ^  Goshh.. that was harsh man..... You know , The Clash may have shouted out about “No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones, in 1977!”.. But , it seems now you're adding even more originality to their claim, when the ultimate question is: "Who started the whole plethora of extreme music genres () ?" hahahah...... Anyway .... let us face it punkers , here goes a final and definitive answer to you:  without Elvis fusing R&B and country back in the mid-fifties, The Clash would have had literally nothing to respond to , damn nothing to add to the lineage of 20th century pop!

It is simply a fact that without hardcore punk, there would never have been any extreme metal - thrash metal, death metal, black metal etc. Do you have any idea how many bands flourished in these and other sub genres of extreme metal? No, that kind of music wasn't born because Mike Rutherford played a galloping bassline the one time on Nursery Cryme. That music has a direct connection to punk and the musicians of the early bands in these genres cited hardcore punk as a direct influence. The biggest band to come out of extreme metal was, of course, Metallica and they cited The Misfits as an influence.

M27Barney wrote: SteveG wrote: Cristi wrote: WHO'S THIS SNOOTY AND WHAT DOES HE WANT FROM ME? If I ever get another finicky stuck up cat, I'm going to name it Snooty. You don't want a cat. Snidey, furry fookers who are just waiting for you to pass out so they can gorge on your exposed flesh...

I know.

SteveG wrote: ^ Yes, all jesting aside, punk, and its sub genre of NY Hardcore, are directly responsible for the advent of Thrash from which death and Black metal would evolve. Unfortunately, those that misunderstand these metal genres are the same people that have just a fleeting and superficial understanding of punk. Ignorance is bliss for them for but quite annoying to anyone with half an idea of rock music outside of prog.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ Yes, all jesting aside, punk, and its sub genre of NY Hardcore, are directly responsible for the advent of Thrash from which death and Black metal would evolve. Unfortunately, those that misunderstand these metal genres are the same people that have just a fleeting and superficial understanding of punk. Ignorance is bliss for them for but quite annoying to anyone with half an idea of rock music outside of prog. Well, that includes me then, because as well as not liking Punk-Rock, I can't stand Black Metal, Death Metal or Thrash Metal either, because it's quite literally not music to my ignorant ears.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ Yes, all jesting aside, punk, and its sub genre of NY Hardcore, are directly responsible for the advent of Thrash from which death and Black metal would evolve. Unfortunately, those that misunderstand these metal genres are the same people that have just a fleeting and superficial understanding of punk. Ignorance is bliss for them for but quite annoying to anyone with half an idea of rock music outside of prog. Well, that includes me then, because as well as not liking Punk-Rock, I can't stand Black Metal, Death Metal or Thrash Metal either, because it's quite literally not music to my ignorant ears.

Edited by Tillerman88 - December 11 2019 at 08:33

Tillerman88 wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ Yes, all jesting aside, punk, and its sub genre of NY Hardcore, are directly responsible for the advent of Thrash from which death and Black metal would evolve. Unfortunately, those that misunderstand these metal genres are the same people that have just a fleeting and superficial understanding of punk. Ignorance is bliss for them for but quite annoying to anyone with half an idea of rock music outside of prog. Well, that includes me then, because as well as not liking Punk-Rock, I can't stand Black Metal, Death Metal or Thrash Metal either, because it's quite literally not music to my ignorant ears. Good point of yours Psychedelic Paul.... and that includes me too, as well as several other people "with half an idea of rock music outside of prog" (). I suggest the other half who profess that our ignorance is bliss to take their time and care to getting at least some of what was going on outside of "prog" , in the 70's. But let's give them a little help , why not?   I'm thinking right now of Judas Priest, Black Sabbath , Motorhead (this band just a couple of years later) ... these are some that would later have a major influence on progressive metal bands.  I leave you with just one illustration:  Priest's 1977's album Sin After Sin used a combination of double bass drum (or "double kick") and rapid 16th-note bass rhythms combined with rapid 16th-note guitar rhythms used by Black Sabbath and Motörhead , among others, that simply came to define the genre  ..... and some of its songs pushed an increase in tempo AND aggression which was later adopted by not less than several bands from subsequent generations that came with a much harder-edged approach. Nuff said

Let me review a few misconceptions I've learned from you and your compatriots in this thread. And I'll paraphrase:

Edited by SteveG - December 11 2019 at 09:28

I'm not denying that Black Metal, Death Metal & Thrash Metal evolved from Punk-Rock, but I don't necessarily see that as a good thing.