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Cristi
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rogerthat
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Whether you think it is music or not, the point is it did spawn all these genres. That is what Tillerman contested and I refuted his comment. End of story.
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^ Yes, we know. Lack of knowledge is the definition of ignorance and, generally, is nothing to be proud of. That's why so many try to overcome it.
Edit: ironic smiley face added.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Well, that includes me then, because as well as not liking Punk-Rock, I can't stand Black Metal, Death Metal or Thrash Metal either, because it's quite literally not music to my ignorant ears.
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SteveG
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^ Yes, all jesting aside, punk, and its sub genre of NY Hardcore, are directly responsible for the advent of Thrash from which death and Black metal would evolve. Unfortunately, those that misunderstand these metal genres are the same people that have just a fleeting and superficial understanding of punk. Ignorance is bliss for them for but quite annoying to anyone with half an idea of rock music outside of prog.
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It is simply a fact that without hardcore punk, there would never have been any extreme metal - thrash metal, death metal, black metal etc. Do you have any idea how many bands flourished in these and other sub genres of extreme metal? No, that kind of music wasn't born because Mike Rutherford played a galloping bassline the one time on Nursery Cryme. That music has a direct connection to punk and the musicians of the early bands in these genres cited hardcore punk as a direct influence. The biggest band to come out of extreme metal was, of course, Metallica and they cited The Misfits as an influence. |
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You don't want a cat. Snidey, furry fookers who are just waiting for you to pass out so they can gorge on your exposed flesh... |
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Edited by SteveG - December 10 2019 at 14:34 |
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What a great dive that place was, I remember the feet hanging from the ceiling. I think I saw Twist & Scream there, and Nothing . |
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Goshh.. that was harsh man..... You know , The Clash may have shouted out about “No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones, in 1977!”.. But , it seems now you're adding even more originality to their claim, when the ultimate question is: "Who started the whole plethora of extreme music genres () ?" hahahah...... Anyway .... let us face it punkers , here goes a final and definitive answer to you: without Elvis fusing R&B and country back in the mid-fifties, The Clash would have had literally nothing to respond to , damn nothing to add to the lineage of 20th century pop! Edited by Tillerman88 - December 10 2019 at 11:50 |
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Musical genres aren't so neatly divided as some of you might think. I used to do punk rock shows at The Club Foote in San Francisco with a band that is on this site.
Thats right, Neurosis used to be part of the SF hardcore scene in the mid 80s. |
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Edited by SteveG - December 10 2019 at 09:59 |
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This happens to most new trends. At a micro level, artists themselves go through this cycle where after a point of time (IF they have succeeded bigly), they are seen as the establishment and not hip music that rebels would want to listen to. And as you say, this is completely irrespective of what kind of music the artists may be making. That symbolism is too powerful for them to transcend.
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So artificial indeed that it spawned a whole plethora of extreme music genres never heard before in rock.
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I think one thing that had happened by the mid to late seventies was that prog listening and probably also prog playing had distanced itself a lot from some of its roots, which were actually rebellious and truly progressive at the time, but in say 1978 no longer. Which is normal because rebellion isn't something that can naturally be sustained over a long time. Prog became music for those who had found what they like and stuck with it. Now that doesn't work as an act of rebellion anymore, and may look like stagnation to many. Telling the then new upcoming movement that their music is just crappy won't help. (Regardless of how crappy it actually might have been .) Obviously the punk movement and later hip hop were susceptible to the very same tendency. And surely the music industry was always trying to find and hype the next hot sh..., as always later to the party than the real trendsetters but early enough to pretend to the majority that the sh.. is still hot. This is all about sentiments and symbols, and not at all about the actual music - nothing of this would stop people producing good prog in 1979 and even 1985, and - beware! - good hip hop in 2015.
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Oh sure, it's definitely more complex and my point in saying that was to push back against the notion that escapist music not rooted in reality would automatically be unappealing to people enduring suffering in life. There's nothing like that and often escapist music (or entertainment of any other kind) is appealing for precisely that reason. You're right of course in saying that many among the poor may also rebel against this reality. Interestingly, I remember reading a long essay on unionism in 70s UK and it mentioned workers skipping duty to be able to spend time playing punk...as a vocation or hobby. It comes back again to what you had said earlier in the discussion. The most potent source of appeal for punk was that it was so much easier to perform. Music keeps going through these cycles where there is a return to basics, of songs 'anybody could hum' and then there is a craving for ambition again.
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