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SteveG
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^ To some people, less is more. But only when its dressed up in a suit of respectability.
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Cristi
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WHO'S THIS SNOOTY AND WHAT DOES HE WANT FROM ME?
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Psychedelic Paul
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"Snooty" means showing disapproval or contempt towards others, especially those considered to belong to a lower social class, although I've never heard Prog_Rock referred to as "snooty" before - until now.
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Fook me...from what I saw of punk bands in the eighties, they didnt havw any real talent whatsoever....compare with my all time favourite gig, a handfull of people watching Pallas perform an extended Atlantis suite, and because I told the band that I loved bombast, mellotron and guitar virtuosity, they extended the hell out of march on atlantis, and it had the best guitar/mellotron and synth battle ever performed on stage....
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The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories...
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Psychedelic Paul
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You can't beat a bit of booming and bombastic Symphonic Prog with Mellotron and guitar virtuosity in abundance.
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I have never implied that but I will stand by the view that his assiduous promotion surely made it much easier for them to succeed and this was not something most bands received. Likewise for GNR. Yes, it was AXL's ego that destroyed the band but this is also much more likely to happen with these 'overnight success' cases than with a band that has spent a long time trying to break through. The latter kind of band would not succeed without some measure of cohesion between the members. Whatever cohesion there was in GNR had already dissipated even by UYI 1&2.
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Possible, as a lot of the older prog rock fans don't seem to like metal either. I mean extreme metal, Sepultura, Kreator, Nuclear Assault when I say metal, not Sabbath or Purple which is derived from the blues tradition and much easier to get into for rock lovers.
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I think it's a bit more complex than that. I agree you can find a lot of such people in disadvantaged environments, but also people who are more rebellious and focused on their reality. There's not "the poor" as if they were all the same. Depending on culture and social processes ( some would call it "fashion"), rebellion and focus on reality can become big there, at least once in a while. And I'd think that you'll also always find people who care for music but not much for the lyrics, this way or another. For "educated snobs" chances are you find something resembling all these segments as well, except it's different because their reality is different; occasionally they may adopt the "realism" of people they perceive as disadvantaged because it cuts sharper than their own. Maybe one could call that reverse escapism. Their own reality wouldn't feed rebellion that well.
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Like I said, it's funny word for me. Good name for a cat, or a dog.
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Use Your Illusion Pts 1 and 2.
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Oh sure, it's definitely more complex and my point in saying that was to push back against the notion that escapist music not rooted in reality would automatically be unappealing to people enduring suffering in life. There's nothing like that and often escapist music (or entertainment of any other kind) is appealing for precisely that reason. You're right of course in saying that many among the poor may also rebel against this reality. Interestingly, I remember reading a long essay on unionism in 70s UK and it mentioned workers skipping duty to be able to spend time playing punk...as a vocation or hobby. It comes back again to what you had said earlier in the discussion. The most potent source of appeal for punk was that it was so much easier to perform. Music keeps going through these cycles where there is a return to basics, of songs 'anybody could hum' and then there is a craving for ambition again.
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I think one thing that had happened by the mid to late seventies was that prog listening and probably also prog playing had distanced itself a lot from some of its roots, which were actually rebellious and truly progressive at the time, but in say 1978 no longer. Which is normal because rebellion isn't something that can naturally be sustained over a long time. Prog became music for those who had found what they like and stuck with it. Now that doesn't work as an act of rebellion anymore, and may look like stagnation to many. Telling the then new upcoming movement that their music is just crappy won't help. (Regardless of how crappy it actually might have been .) Obviously the punk movement and later hip hop were susceptible to the very same tendency. And surely the music industry was always trying to find and hype the next hot sh..., as always later to the party than the real trendsetters but early enough to pretend to the majority that the sh.. is still hot. This is all about sentiments and symbols, and not at all about the actual music - nothing of this would stop people producing good prog in 1979 and even 1985, and - beware! - good hip hop in 2015.
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So artificial indeed that it spawned a whole plethora of extreme music genres never heard before in rock.
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This happens to most new trends. At a micro level, artists themselves go through this cycle where after a point of time (IF they have succeeded bigly), they are seen as the establishment and not hip music that rebels would want to listen to. And as you say, this is completely irrespective of what kind of music the artists may be making. That symbolism is too powerful for them to transcend.
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