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Truth be told, prog fans are far less concerned about relevancy than other music fans. After all, a song about an armadillo-tank hybrid born from the eruption of a volcano, vanquishing over a variety of fictitious creatures until finally being defeated by a manticore, is not relevant to anyone. |
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Btw, did you check with Psychedelic Paul? Edited by SteveG - December 09 2019 at 09:55 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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True! The lyrics might be totally irrelevant to our everyday lives, but if the music's good, I'll listen to it. It reminds me of the "Olias of Sunhillow" concept album by Jon Anderson which I've just reviewed. The story of space colonists fleeing a doomed planet was irrelevant to my everyday life, but I found the music to be truly uplifting, inspirational and spiritual. Jon Anderson reaches the parts that other musicians can only aspire to, AND he played all of the instruments on the album.
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Dean
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yeah, you're so right. It reminds me of the last album review I wrote too, that was also totally irrelevant to my everyday life and utterly unrelated to this topic.
In fact come to think of it every sodding album I've ever listened to has been utterly irrelevant to my everyday life, as was every book I've ever read, every film, play, tv drama and sitcom I've ever seen, together with every painting, sculpture and bloody statue I've ever gawped at. Funny old world.
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Psychedelic Paul
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This topic went off-topic a long time ago when we started talking about Rap/Hip Hop, when the thread was supposed to be all about Prog-Rock. Come to think of it, Jon Anderson's "Olias of Sunhillow" album DOES have some relevance to my everyday life, because it's all about new beginnings and starting a new life elsewhere, just as I have done recently.
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Dean
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Oh, lucky us.
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Rof!
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^^ I don't know who or what "Rof" is, but Dean's remark made me laugh too, even though I was the butt of his grumpy Rick Wakeman humour.
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^Now that I come to think of it, I guess I now have a truly wise, clever answer to the thread title question :
"Why is prog rock always called "snootiest"? Because of the well-known grumpy old humourists....
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The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories...
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Because people who call prog rock snooty are pretentious.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Those must have been different times. Can you imagine Backstreet Boys just going in a totally left field direction and becoming all about experimentation? Because that's what the Beatles did. Prog rock was mainstream in the 70s. So was thrash metal in the 80s. OK, not mainstream like Def Leppard or Bon Jovi but Metallica and Megadeth were charting well. There was no industry pressure on Metallica to get friends haircuts, they did it themselves in the pursuit of bigger commercial success. So it's more that today the music industry has become completely risk averse which figures seeing as consumers think paying a few dollars for an album is a big risk. |
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Traditionally, people struggling in poverty embrace escapism because listening to angry, depressing music is not going to make them feel better nor make their poverty go away. I know this because where I live, we have endemic and intergenerational poverty of the like the First World has not seen in a long time and the poor prefer glamorous commercial entertainers and it's the educated snobs like me who want more realism in movies. As discussed a few pages earlier in the thread, punk as a movement would have existed with or without the events of 1976. But Malcolm McLaren made a concerted effort to put together a punk rock band and pivot them into the mainstream. Again, this is not unusual. Guns N Roses was assiduously promoted by Alan Niven, they didn't build up their success brick by brick the way Metallica is. That is why both Sex Pistols and GNR dissipated pretty soon while many classic rock and prog rock bands keep playing as well as many metal or hardcore bands that organically came together and rose through the ranks. Yes, there was a legitimate critique contained within punk (though insisting on realist lyrics seems like a very limiting, if not boring, way to make music to me) but it needed an external push as well to rise to the top. The music press had always hated prog and in punk they saw a vehicle to both bring it down as well as inject their own left wing politics into music. Neither of which is wrong. Just pointing out the help and favour punk did receive at the time. The fact that this critique had limitations when applied to mainstream music was made clear when within less a decade, rock had embraced over the top superficiality and excess via glam metal in a way prog never had. There was, is and always will be a market for excess because excess is entertaining. Edited by rogerthat - December 09 2019 at 21:51 |
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The ''Status Quo'' wasn't making money anymore although funnily enough Status Quo were with Rockin All Over The World. It's all about money. The 'music industry' is actually a horrid term in itself but sadly very true.
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Rod Stewart backed by the London philly is de-riguer at the moment it seems....funny old world...
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^ To quote Dean: "oh, lucky us."
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"Why did the Sex Pistols break up? By Laurence Fisher Edited by SteveG - December 10 2019 at 04:51 |
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I don't pretend to be an 'expert' (in fact I believe there are probably less than a handful of so-called Punk albums that have endured past their run-off grooves) There's not much in Fisher's version of events that I have an issue with but if you were a talentless succés de scandale hellbent on 'cash from chaos', then McLaren was your perfect manager. What Malcolm surely didn't anticipate was that vestige of integrity, sincerity and originality innate in both his charges Matlock and Lydon who refused to play along or participate in the Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle movie. Matlock (probably the most gifted songwriter) was fired and replaced by Sid Vicious (probably the least gifted mammal) on the suggestion of his buddy, Lydon, who was becoming increasingly paranoid and isolated within the band after being stabbed by a mob circa '77 and felt in need of an ally. Lydon's autobiographies make it abundantly clear he still feels a responsibility for Sid's demise and deeply regrets exposing his pal to a world he wasn't remotely equipped to handle. With or without the pitiful Sid/Nancy sideshow, the Sex Pistols should never have lasted beyond their first four sublime singles which merely reinforces the conclusion that Punk was at best, a singles medium. For me the question is not 'Why did the Sex Pistols Break Up?' but 'How they lasted until Jan 1978 without becoming irredeemably sh*t?'
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^ Anyone who knows twice as much as I do about punk is an expert in my book. Especially in a forum that's tailored for prog. While music doesn't exist in a vacuum, other's extended knowledge is there for the taking if one really does seek to know about the history of rock music.
I'm sure Mr. Fisher's blog is biased in favor of the Pistols, but it does help to dispel the myths that the Pistols were a completely faux group that could neither write music, play their own instruments or were complete puppets of McLaren.
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Strange to see a lot of prog fans here deride punk and hip hop for their dumb, often crude simplicity while still embracing straightforward blues, funk and hard rock, which often built their appeal on the exact same dumb and simple music with fun and relatable hooks and lyrics. It seems there's bit of snootyness preventing them from admitting that they just don't like it when music sounds too harsh or digitized for them! This kind of preference would also perhaps explain why the current prog mainstream sounds the way it does (for better or worse)...
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