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^ that's a good point too. I love all musical forms but there are indeed those who ONLY love a genre like prog, metal, jazz, classical etc. There are definitely those who put themselves above others by being fans of those genres. Snob or snooty simply refers to those who think they are better because they don't engage in "common folks" music. Screw that. It's ALL good however the same applies to those who dismiss higher art forms simply because there are certain individuals who indeed have a holier-than-thou attitude

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All said, prog is pompous and distended, but that's never bothered me.   I mean if you genuinely like something but some (or most) people think it's snooty, it doesn't take away form the pleasure you get from it.   The same would be true for music that is considered lowbrow and simplistic.
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Prog evolved because young musicians got bored with standard blues based rock and roll. Also, many were art students and so were influenced by the idea of adding creativity and artistry to the music. As such classical and jazz(which was popular in the UK at the time)were added into the mix. If all of this made the music pretentious(which Greg Lake admitted it was)then so be it it was(and is)pretentious. But then why not call all high art forms snooty and pretentious? You could say the same about classical and jazz. Do you ever see anyone in a pick up truck or muscle car blasting Miles Davis or Dvorak? I would think not.

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

All said, prog is pompous and distended, but that's never bothered me.   I mean if you genuinely like something but some (or most) people think it's snooty, it doesn't take away form the pleasure you get from it.   The same would be true for music that is considered lowbrow and simplistic.

Give me pompous and distended Prog-Rock any time over the manufactured Pop music that's played on the radio these days. Smile
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Originally posted by softandwet softandwet wrote:

That is my question. I wondered about that when a friend who I was talking about music with told me that prog was too pretentious.


There's a scale on which all music has its place; somewhere between 'instant listenability' and 'rewarding when investing as a listener'. Prog usually is highly toward the 'investing' side and therefor assumes listeners are willing to put up with that.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Such terms are reserved as a psychological justification for not feeling worthy of engaging in higher art forms. Everything about consciousness is based on our mind patterns and how they are programmed. Many people have been programmed to only enjoy simplistic artistic expressions and therefore erroneously view many higher musical expressions that take longer to comprehend something that is merely created for those who enjoy it to separate themselves and place themselves on a higher level. Classical and jazz are also considered by many as snooty because they are content listening to three chord punk or pop hip hop exclusively. Sad.
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never heard the music called snooty..

now its fans..prog heads... oh yeah.. that is another thing LOL
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by softandwet softandwet wrote:

That is my question. I wondered about that when a friend who I was talking about music with told me that prog was too pretentious.
Kinda like saying that Bernard Herrman is pretentious ... or almost every known composer of music in the 20th century.
 
You say that like you think it's a ridiculous notion. Whereas, something like 4′33″ by John Cage would have to be one of the most pretentious things ever produced.
 
 
 
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I can't say I've ever heard anyone call Prog_Rock "snooty", but I'm sure there are some classical music buffs who snootily dismiss Prog-Rock or any other kind of Rock as not worth listening to. Smile
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^ Keith Emerson apparently had some issues with the London Philharmonic Orchestra when they were trying to rehearse his Piano Concerto in 1977. Initially they wouldn't take it seriously as it was by a rock musician. They got their in the end though!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ Keith Emerson apparently had some issues with the London Philharmonic Orchestra when they were trying to rehearse his Piano Concerto in 1977. Initially they wouldn't take it seriously as it was by a rock musician. They got their in the end though!
 
My uncle was a classical music buff. I bought him the classical Queen Symphony for Christmas and he said "Why have you bought me that? You know I don't like Pop music!" Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I can't say I've ever heard anyone call Prog_Rock "snooty", but I'm sure there are some classical music buffs who snootily dismiss Prog-Rock or any other kind of Rock as not worth listening to. Smile
I know the type you mean, but don't go by that stereotype. Remember ELP were  also known as "Classical Rock" for a reason! In a later interview, with pride, Carl Palmer credits the band with turning a whole bunch of people on to classical music.
          Myself, I discovered classical music the same time I discovered progressive rock, and wouldn't want to give up either!
           I read a recent article about famous symphony conductor Leonard Slatkin, and he has nothing but praise for ELP and says he has always loved their music.
               If Keith were alive today, he would tell folks that classical music and rock are not mutually exclusive. In an interview he did make, he called classical music "his Heritage".


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If you want an even better example than ELP of the classical crossover appeal of  prog, then you might want to have a listen to  Robert John Godfrey and The Enid. I just reviewed their first album this morning. Smile
 


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

If you want an even better example than ELP of the classical crossover appeal of  prog, then you might want to have a listen to  Robert John Godfrey and The Enid. I just reviewed their first album this morning. Smile
 
 

yep great band that are more classical than rock . Underrated.
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Isn't the "snooty" and pretentious label also hung upon classical music?  Hence the label "long hair music" - 

The expression in English dates from LONG before rock music was even close to being a thing. It references particularly guys like Franz Liszt and Paganini, who were portrayed wearing their hair long. In the 1920s the term came to be applied to people who were generally intellectuals and aesthetes, like classical music enthusiasts, who didn’t have to conform to society’s views on hair length on men.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Isn't the "snooty" and pretentious label also hung upon classical music?  Hence the label "long hair music" - 

The expression in English dates from LONG before rock music was even close to being a thing. It references particularly guys like Franz Liszt and Paganini, who were portrayed wearing their hair long. In the 1920s the term came to be applied to people who were generally intellectuals and aesthetes, like classical music enthusiasts, who didn’t have to conform to society’s views on hair length on men.
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