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Ghost Whistler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 25 2014 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 313 |
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He's great, but I felt playing the Fish was a step too far, even though his performance was excellent. I'd say Tull always had underrated bassists. Or the guy from Eloy.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65587 |
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Try losing the bassist in rock or replacing them with a keyboard-- it doesn't work. Sure ELP and others would sometimes do it, but that was out of necessity and only because Keith's sound was so full and rich it was a good substitute for a bass, not a replacement. And even then they knew enough to make sure whatever was generating it, there was a bass part. Without it, ELP would've sounded thin, flat, and unprofessional. Edited by Atavachron - September 05 2019 at 14:18 |
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Archie ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: September 06 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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Jonathan Scales plays with some of the best. A clip with his old bassist, Cody Wright: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSi-A5Ls0ew&t=33m51s
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18044 |
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I think this is grossly unfair. The idea was NEVER to have the same instruments and the same sound and the same composition design ... as EVERYONE ELSE ... which is what you are basically stating if I do not mis-understand it. A bass, or a guitar, or drums, is NEVER a must ... except that your ears are so stuck with one style of music and sound, that you are having a hard time explaining ELP without a bass guitar, or Greg merely filling in here and there to augment things some ... but you certainly can see that ELP was not about a "bass" guitar, or whatever a fan wants to hear ... it was about its own music and its own presentation. Please, do not "demand" that a band have this or that, and take their individuality out ... "progressive" music was built on this individuality, not on your, or mine, design for music ... but we can't grow out of that top ten thinking and must have this and that instrument ... that is just so sad ... and you are a representative of this board saying something that is NOT "progressive" in my seeing of things.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7411 |
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Good suggestions, thanks for Dennis Dunaway (Alice Cooper!).
I'm a Rickenbacker player, so naturally, any of the prog bassists who concentrated on that axe are favorites!
I'm lucky to have met many of my idols, including Chris Squire...however, he gets all the props! For under appreciated bassists, I'd suggest Chris's former London flat-mate, Ray Bennett, ex-Flash bassist. Amazing technique! I wonder if they didn't learn the Herco plectrum/Rickenbacker/Rotosound string technique by hanging out together. Another bassist I knew was Gary Strater from Starcastle, he was like a clone of Squire! RIP Gary. Finally, I'd nominate Jon Camp of Renaissance! We just became Facebook friends, and he has made very solid contributions to the prog music canon. His work on Rickenbacker was excellent, and these days, his axe of choice is Vigier. He is an unsung soldier in prog history. |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65587 |
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I suppose that's fair, but I stand by the importance of both the bass part which is the compositional ground of the piece, and the bass sound which adds dimension and depth tho the music. Of course there can be parts that don't have or need any bass at all, but that's an exception. The bass ~ especially in a band with very little guitar ~ is the cake, and everything else is the icing. Again, remove the bass from ELP or Floyd or Zeppelin or any other important acts in rock, and you get something that simply doesn't have the sonic potential or depth it would otherwise. |
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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Zep does sound rather shrill. But JPJ is truly one of the greats. Not only is he underrated as a bassist, he's horribly underrated as a member of the group. This is particularly egregious because he's not simply gelling the group; his lines are innovative, unique, melodic in their own right, and so much a bigger part of the music and what makes it great than simply being part of a competent rhythm section... in much the same vein as John Entwistle or Geddy Lee. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29358 |
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I do think we all get very confused about this. Yes of course you can have any make up of instruments in a band. You can strip it down or add as a is necessary. ELP were quite keen not to have hidden musicians on stage and made a point of it so occasionally Greg would play lead guitar and Keith had to fill in. This could be quite interesting and worked tremendously well on for instance Tarkus (Battlefield section). But really there are no rules here. I don't think anyone is suggesting that bass has to be present or not be present but a lot of great rock music would be less great without the bass. Rush are one my favourite bands and no bass would just not be an option. Freewill would indeed be nothing without it but then Rush would never have written the song with no bass , that would be insane!
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65587 |
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Not to mention organ, piano, mellotron, synthesizer, upright bass, mandolin, lute, arranging & studio directing. Edited by Atavachron - September 08 2019 at 01:16 |
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8717 |
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I wanted to give a shout out for ORIGINAL Eloy bassist Wolfgang Stocker, who played on their first two albums. After that, he disappeared from sight, as far as I know. His bass work on Inside, the second Eloy album, is especially noteworthy.
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Ghost Whistler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 25 2014 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 313 |
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While a little limited (with all due respect to the player), I'd stil much rather hear this than the modern day weedy typewriter acrobatics that comprises modern playing. Or just listen to Tony Levin, who is god
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Ghost Whistler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 25 2014 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 313 |
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Also the guy out of Wobbler is pretty good. That old retro ricky feel
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Seconded!
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Third and seconded, respectively!
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