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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progaardvark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2019 at 08:06
Touring bassist-for-hire Lee Pomeroy comes to mind.
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Apparently there is some question about who plays on that Heep track.....Thain or Mark Clarke...?
I can't think of another Heep track where Thain does so many runs ...are we sure that's Thain.?
According to our PA logs it's Clarke.
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Dave LaRue from the Dixie dregs comes to mine. Not a household name but a great bass player. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2019 at 01:27
The guy only known as "Foley" that played live with Miles in the mid-late 80's.

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Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Percy Jones
And Jeff Berlin.
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Not really prog but the late bass player in mid 70s Elton and live band Dee Murrey is very underrated and hes basslines are worth checking out also as a if you are a developing bassplayer in your own right.

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Maybe not under-rated as much as unknown is Roger Newell, just for his playing on Wakemans' Journey to the Centre of the Earth. If there was a category ' Best Bassist in an Ensemble ', that would be the choice.


 
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Lee Sklar
Mostly noted as a session player for the singer/sonwriter crowd in the 70s, but might be more known to fans of this site as the bassist on Billy Cobham's "Spectrum" album, easily one of the greatest bass performances of all time in any genre.  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2019 at 12:21
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Percy Jones
And Jeff Berlin.
 

Not underrated, especially Jeff, who's something of an icon in the world of bass-playing.
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I thought there was already a thread about this subject and I think when I posted on it I mentioned Randy George of the Neal Morse Band, and Martin Turner of Mark 1 and Mark 2 Wishbone Ash.
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Far and away, the most underrated bassist would be Dennis Dunaway of Alice Cooper. Absolutely brilliant.
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^ Agree with him + as i mentioned erlyer Dee Murray
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Lee Sklar
Mostly noted as a session player for the singer/sonwriter crowd in the 70s, but might be more known to fans of this site as the bassist on Billy Cobham's "Spectrum" album, easily one of the greatest bass performances of all time in any genre.  



Yes. Lee Sklar rules. He's played on everything with everyone. I didn't even realize that was him on Cobham's "Spectrum" until I checked the booklet. Arguably one of the most ubiquitous bass players of all time!

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Without a doubt, Triumvirat's great bassist, the late Helmut Koellen (who incidentally, also played six string guitar, and sang lead vocals).
     He was at the forefront of the new progressive rock sound of the early to mid seventies, and was really the greatest thing that happened to Triumvirat, and was instrumental (no pun intended) in putting that band on the musical map, but is hardly ever mentioned in polls, lists, etc. of bassists. No doubt because of his early death way back in 1977 at the age of 27. Listen to his two Triumvirat albums, and if you can find it, his posthumously released solo album You Won't See Me, and if you do, then maybe he will become more well renowned, and rightly so!


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Hi,

I think this will be an unpopular comment, but for me, in PROGRESSIVE MUSIC there is no best bass player, or keyboard player ... because it is about the MUSIC and its complete piece of work.

The main issue, for me, is that there are so many different styles of playing, and so many different uses for all the music, that choosing one, becomes just a preference for a song or two that we have ... and to me, that is not "progressive music" thinking.

To say, that YES is about Chris is sad ... it kinda invalidates all the work that the others put in that was also fabulous ... thus, my preferences always go with the music from the band ... not individuals!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

To say, that YES is about Chris is sad ... it kinda invalidates all the work that the others put in that was also fabulous ...
 
That's true but I don't think anyone is suggesting that. Squire is a very prominent bass player but obviously Yes are about the rest of the band as well, and Squire is hardly underrated anyway.
 
I was in band once and our manager told me the bass player was the most important member of the band (although I think he was just saying that to get me to play better). Though it pains me to say this, it's not true, it's the drummer.


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I've not seen anyone say that Yes is just about Squire or whatever. Usual making up stuff that simply doesn't exist from Mosh.

My 'shout out' Klaus Peter Matziol could create a whole tapestry of music underneath the band and I find that fascinating. But I love the keyboards (loads of synths) as well obviously and the whole band sound is very impressive. All the elements come together. There was not a better band than Eloy around about 1982 imo.

I've been listening to Refugee again with the re-issue of their one and only album and Lee Jackson surely deserves a mention. Lovely crisp bass sound that supports Moraz perfectly. Davison is also on fire. This album eclipsed everything The Nice did and some!
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I was in band once and our manager told me the bass player was the most important member of the band (although I think he was just saying that to get me to play better). Though it pains me to say this, it's not true, it's the drummer.

Depends what's meant by 'important'.   The bass is in many ways the most important element in terms of cohesion:  Adam Clayton is certainly not important to the music of U2 nor an extraordinary bass player, but his contribution is absolutely essential for the execution and gelling of the music.   The bass is the invisible unsung hero of rock.   Without it Zeppelin would sound shrill, Hendrix a mess, Floyd untethered, Van Halen one-dimensional.





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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

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The bass is the invisible unsung hero of rock.   Without it Zeppelin would sound shrill, Hendrix a mess, Floyd untethered, Van Halen one-dimensional.
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And this is my point ... we're making it sound like the completeness of the music is not helped by the bass player and that he/she dominates the proceedings, which is not true. Again, if the composition for the works was not there, Jaco might not have been able to go as free as he did ... and a lot of the same thing happens to the other bands and their combinations.

To me, it's about all of it ... not just one piece. Although we can find some very notable exceptions, and all you have to do is listen/see the Tom Dowd DVD to learn something about one of the greatest guitar duets ... that was caught "accidentally", and the rest of the music added to it.

Yes, there are individual bits and pieces and moments, however, if it is not incorporated correctly, then either the band is not capable of handling the better player, or the player knows its not going to work.

I rather think that with LZ, JPJ and the rest of the folks worked on their combinations and relationships in order to be able to add/subtract/include some bits and pieces of this and that to augment the quality of the music and playing ... and making the whole piece of music better for it.

For me, it wasn't just about JPJ ... it was about the other three folks being able to add each and everyone's bits and pieces and making it work to enhance the quality of the experience and the music ... and this is almost impossible to be done these days on a DAW, without the REAL/active human element involved.

Any band saying that a bass or drums are the most important is not looking at their composition ... they are merely counting and hoping to stay in form the whole way, which is usually the case if the whole thing is just riff driven, and not music design or composition driven, specially when done by all the members of the band!
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Drums are a different matter. It would be hard to name a great band with a poor drummer. A poor drummer is someone who could be replaced by a metronome imo. Bass on the other hand can be a lot of things and it can even not be there ( or replaced by a hand on the keyboard) as was often the case with ELP. Yeah of course the composition of the music is everything. Who wants to hear bad music played by great musicians (probably the reason I don't care about Jazz much < insert winky emoticon here> )


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