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Howard the Duck ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 168 |
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This is one I've been meaning to make for a long time (though I hadn't yet seen the other threads for underrated players). Which bassist is the most under-recognized in prog? My vote is for Ray Shulman from Gentle Giant. He contributes a ton in terms of melody and counterpoint and he's one of the least mentioned when people talk about virtuosity in bass playing. I think of all the bands I've heard GG may be one whose sound is most indebted to complex bass lines!
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MacGyver can do a super guitar solo with a broom and an elastic band. Can you do better?
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As a player, John Mole of Colosseum ll |
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Been getting into a lot of Magma these days. Jannick Top.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Online Points: 18893 |
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Chris Squire.
![]() Just kidding of course. I actually can't think of many I consider under rated. I kind of think Mike Rutherford is under rated though.
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Howard the Duck ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 168 |
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Yeah - he's kind of like some of his fellow bandmembers (i.e. Tony Banks and Anthony Phillips on their instruments) in that he's not as flashy a player but he really makes the rhythm section rock - along with Phil of course.
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MacGyver can do a super guitar solo with a broom and an elastic band. Can you do better?
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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Love Mike Rutherford --very cool grooves and also agree Shulman of GG is amazing--(-^ disagree about Tony Banks underrated he's one of the greatest composers and players in prog---)
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Online Points: 18893 |
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^Yeah, for keyboards Hugh Banton and Tony Kaye would be better examples imo.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29372 |
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there is a thread going already for me has to be Klaus Peter-Matziol of Eloy. |
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Rutherford is underrated simply because he can play pretty much everything! Jumping back and forth on guitar and bass, holding the damn band together, and Phil gets all the credit! ![]() ![]()
The only thing obscuring Ray Shulman from pure prog stardom was the size of Chris Squire's stage capes! He's RIGHT behind Squire in bass prowess. There's Squire, Shulman, then a HUGE rift before anyone else when it comes to my bass tastes. |
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My thoughts exactly! Prog Rock would be a lot poorer without him...
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Helmut Hattler of Kraan, Tab Two, Guru Guru and many other projects
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Mike Rutherford all day, every day. Manages to be one of two continuous members in one of the most successful and respected prog bands of all time (and one of the biggest pop juggernauts of the 80s), consistently helps to write great instrumental material, playing multiple instruments with ease and style, even getting in some absolutely next-level bass work along the way (like Get 'Em Out By Friday!)...and somehow barely gets mentioned even in conversations about his band, let alone larger discussions. Man is a monster player and writer, with a pro session player's flexibility. Mike Rutherford all day, every day.
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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well said! I think from W and W on he seemed to contribute some of the weakest individual songs on each album which is maybe why he's not mentioned in a lot of who makes Genesis great comments---he's also a reserved stand offish snobby British gentlemen
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At least once a year, my husband begs me to play air-bass on this version, of this song. Whoever plays bass on this, is underrated. |
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^ Gary Thain.. and has long been consdiered one of the great underrated prog bassists.. mainly for having put himself in the grave before he really became a 'known' player
and ummm.. air bass huh. Sheesh he most unsexy of all air instruments.. next time to want to get Mr. Ompha really hot and bothered.. and spice things up.. I can say with utmost confidence and experience.. there is nothing.. NOTHING that will drive a man more wild than... air drums.. especially to a Who album Micky tested .. Micky approved..
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18540 |
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If we're going with the "most" underrated bassist in prog rock, it's gotta be Eloy's Klaus-Peter Matziol. He's a great bass player who's seldom talked about outside Eloy discussions. He doesn't overcomplicate things and yet sounds aggressive enough to complement the guitar and keyboards and he cuts through the mix pretty well!
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Jonathan Noyce, who played first for Martin Barre, and then in Jethro Tull during the 90s.
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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Also, Mo Moore of Nektar (I might have misspelled his name).
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Killer track and playing, totally forgot about this one. Also, Alexander "Erroneous" Dmochowski (Zappa's bass player on Waka, Wazoo, Apostrophe, etc.) is a fantastic and often overlooked player.
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