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threefates 
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Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215 |
 Topic: Southeast Asia - What to do??Posted: December 29 2004 at 12:21 |
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This is really a major event on this planet.. if it indeed did put the earth a little off its axis.. what tragic event could be next. Not knowing how to help or if your donations actually go towards helping.. its a bit overwhelming.
I'm feeling the need to do what I can. I've sent out a message to my entire office about taking up a collection to be donated to the ‘Doctors Without Borders’ in their relief efforts in Southeast Asia. There’s really so little we can do directly… but this organization has done such a great service in these types of situations in the past… if you would like to donate directly, you can at the following website…which details their relief efforts so far. http://www.kintera.org/atf/cf/%7BA54B526F-06CB-4D53-8A37-C33 976730CAB%7D/dwb.htm |
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aqualung28
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Joined: December 03 2004 Status: Offline Points: 916 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 14:27 |
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my parents are donating some money. Since I am still 16 and don't have a job I am going to donate my $20 I get for doing things around the house and I might wash some cars if the rain lets up, meaning I am donating as much as I can
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"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 15:13 |
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I've donated some money via an appeal line in the UK, but to be honest its not just money. One of our government misiters was on the news yesterday stressing the difficulties logistically reaching those in remote areas. Most people think that government s can solve problems by throwing money at it, but that is the tip of the iceberg. This is one of the most terrible natural disasters I can remember. My heart goes out to all caught up in it who have lost loved ones. I have just seen George W Bush on the TV, describing his administrations contribution to the effort as a 'Typical American response' I'm not disputing Amercas generosity on the world stage, but that mans attitude sickens me every time he opens his mouth. There was no compassion in his speech, just a big advert for his crooked administration, delivered with that usual quivering grin. Even our slimey useless Prime Minister can at least act and lie convincingly when he has to. Edited by Blacksword |
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maani
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Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 15:53 |
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threefates: I don't know where you heard that the earthquake "put the earth a little off its axis," but that is ridiculous. My mother is one of the top structural geologists in the world, and has been at it for over 50 years. She tells me that there is no natural force of any size - including massive earthquakes - that could affect the axis of the earth. After all, if that were true, then every time there was an earthquake of similar magnitude - of which there have been several in the past two centuries - the earth would have shifted, and we would already all be dead. No, as devastating as this particular earthquakes was - primarily because of the tsumanis it caused - the earth is still quite comfortably on its normal axis, and spinning at approximately 1,000 mph. I'm not even sure it qualifies as a "major event on this planet," except to the degree that it affects us as human beings. After all, the planet has seen truly "major" events like the carving of the Grand Canyon and the creation of mountain ranges. And if this was a "major event," what would you call the earthquake that hit Japan in 1974 causing 250,000 deaths, "double major?" I'm not trying to belittle the seriousness of the result of the event; I'm simply trying to put the event itself into perspective vis-a-vis both its non-effect on the earth itself (i.e., its axis), and its "place" in earth history. Peace. |
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threefates
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Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:45 |
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read about it right here Maani... and also heard about it on CNN... |
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Reed Lover
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Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:51 |
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:52 |
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tuxon
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Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 17:06 |
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Well Threefates, no matter what the other aledged smarties said. It is true, and even highly likely that the Earth rotation has changed because of the underseas Earthquake. Due to resonance factors and instability of the earth-crust it is even possible (though not likely) more quakes will follow. Eventualy leading to utter disaster. The earth will lose it's metastabile state and spin of course into the Sun's corona, or the otherway, causing either more cases of skincancer, or a new Ice-age. Don't panic, you're on the Titanic. |
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 17:30 |
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You can donate directly to Oxfam online using your credit card.
As far as the axis issue is concerned, my understanding is that it's probably true, as the Earth does move and can be moved inconsequential amounts by events such as this, since the axis is not absolutely fixed in space - there is a degree of "wobble" which causes scientists to add a "leap second" in rare years. The earth is completely self-correcting, so it is not unusual, worrying or likely to bring about global warming. As the article says |
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threefates
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Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 17:46 |
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See now this is just one of the things I found funny about you Reed. You can get upset about someone posting a picture of a cross burning... but you can make a joke on a thread in regard to the death of 75,000 people and the possibility of more tragic events... and yet you see see no problem with that. This thread was about what we can do to help... whether or not it is true in regard to the axis slip situation, I can't tell you.. As I said in that message "If it is indeed true"... I didn't state that it was or if I believe that it is... just stating what quite a few scientists have stated and that if it is true...will effect this planet in not such great ways... But go ahead and enjoy yourself... and if you can take a few minutes and donate to a relief charity of your own choice... then please do!! This is me... on a island off the coast of Malaysia last year at this time. This island is now underwater... and I don't know if my friends who live here are alive or dead....
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tuxon
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Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 17:54 |
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Actualy, the earth is not really self-correcting, the most likely position for the Earth and the direction (wobble and all) of the axis is the way it was. With enough deviation from it's original position the Earth may find another stable point. For a real dramatic change there's more needed than just a small(relativly on a cosmic scale) earthquake. A series of earthquakes could cause the earth to change position relativly to the sun. Theory on the extinction of Dinosaurs suggest such a dramatic change. |
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Reed Lover
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Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 18:51 |
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Mea Culpa
Posting on alcohol. I unreservedly apologise to Linda (Threefates) for this disgraceful attemp at scoring points for a reason I myself cannot guess at. Probably not. No excuses. Edited by Reed Lover |
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goose
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Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 19:09 |
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Ha! find a race that hasn't commited mass murder. (that was a mirthless laugh, incidentally) |
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aqualung28
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Joined: December 03 2004 Status: Offline Points: 916 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 19:18 |
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"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
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threefates
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Joined: June 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4215 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 21:31 |
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You guys are truly pathetic... You turn tragedy into a joke, an attack on Bush, an attack on me, and an attack on a country that will probably end up paying for most of the medical care and food and clean up for this tragedy. Reed, you don't know the meaning of self righteous... nor do you have a clue what it means to be a racist or what its like growing up in the South around racists. You can spout your views anyway you like, but lets be honest... you're just really a small man looking for a lot of attention... and right now I just don't have the urge to give it to you!
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gdub411
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Joined: August 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3484 |
Posted: December 29 2004 at 22:02 |
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C'mom guys...what are you doing? This thread has gotten REALLY ugly despite Threefates good intentions. If you don't care or don't want to donate, then just don't post on here. |
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aqualung28
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Joined: December 03 2004 Status: Offline Points: 916 |
Posted: December 30 2004 at 01:59 |
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OK, fine, I'll leave my political beliefs out of this. I'll admit when I'm wrong and I'll admit it was out of place for me to be attacking the president when this thread is supposed to be about how to help people suffering. As for making a joke about this, that is classless and wrong. Over 100,000 people died over there and the count is still rising. The least we could do is give them money, to help rebuild.
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'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
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Jim Garten
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Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Posted: December 30 2004 at 03:51 |
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Sorry, but just have to stick my two penny's worth in here......
Threefates started a thread about an event which has stunned the world, the death toll from which rises inexorably..... It is true the toll may not (Gods willing) reach the scale of the '74 Japanese eathquake, but in the 30 years since then, global media has reached a stage where everyone can actually see the events unfold as they happen through the (camera) eyes of tourists, even get satellite imagery of the tsunami itself. However, as with many threads, the initial idea gets lost, and a small part of 3Fs posting gets singled out for ridicule (I am not referring to Maani's contribution directly, he was only correcting a fact, but this seems to have been the point at which individual agendas took over). It is a sad fact that a disaster of this scale will be used by the leaders in the West to score political points; THIS DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is that money/aid/supplies (from whatever source, and for whatever motive) goes as quickly, and as directly to those affected as possible - I, personally applaud 3Fs for bringing this subject to the forum, and have no doubt that most of us here have been horrified by recent events - those of us who have not, or have different ways of dealing with global tragedies deserve no less respect for their views, but to post the following:
I find to be a deeply offensive reaction to 3Fs posting - Sorry, Reed, but I feel you've crossed the line here. This thread started with the best of intentions (call me naive, if you like), and it has descended into petty backstabbing, which I personally find disgraceful. Edited by Jim Garten |
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Reed Lover
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Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
Posted: December 30 2004 at 06:46 |
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I agree with you 100% Jim!
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sigod
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Joined: September 17 2004 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2779 |
Posted: December 30 2004 at 07:05 |
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Good to know Cert, thanks for the information. Anyway, the earth is flat. I know because I heard a Thomas Dolby album once. |
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