Is it time for Brutal Prog as a new sub?

Brutal prog is Van der Graaf's double live album "Vital".

Re Heino: When I was young the local K Mart had plenty of Heino records in the budget section, along with occasional records by Blue Cheer, Sun Ra and John Cage. I got Cage's "Variations IV" for a penny.

I genuinely love The Shagg's Philososophy of the World, it's my favourite bad album (well, that and an L. Ron Hubbard of Scientology one) and I have listened to it many times over the years, and Tiny Tim. And the German folk song is fun. One of these I'd like to see Heino included in PA in a Schlager-Metal category.





Makes one feel so patriotic for the Homeland (well, it might if I were German).

Then there's Pat Boone for Prog Metal:



And the awesome Christopher Lee:

Well they are creative and certainly seem to be having fun. Apparently dad had a dream that his daughters would be rock stars so he rushed them to the studio before they had a chance to learn how to play or tune their instruments, so they just did the best they could.
You can hear the 'guitarist' strumming the guitar in different places to make up for not knowing any chords, and the drummer has some sort of arrangement going, just not what was normally expected of a drummer.

Edited by Easy Money - June 19 2019 at 21:44

siLLy puPPy wrote: ^ I just listened to The Shaggs a few days ago. That is TRULY brutal folk. I actually like it though! It's unlike anything anyone could possibly think up. I'm not sure if that was all done on purpose or they were just so bad that it flipped its polarity into cosmically weirdly good!

The Shaggs were pretty... amazing. I like your “flipped polarity” theory. So bad it’s good. And insanely creepy in places too.

^ I just listened to The Shaggs a few days ago. That is TRULY brutal folk. I actually like it though! It's unlike anything anyone could possibly think up. I'm not sure if that was all done on purpose or they were just so bad that it flipped its polarity into cosmically weirdly good!

Looking at the Brutal Prog subgenre chart at rateyourmusic, CLICK, I see I have plenty of that in my collection, but I would not have thought of Koenjihyakkei, Guapo, Bondage Fruit, Happy Family, Ruins, Jean Louis and others as Brutal Prog (Zeuhl/ Avant Prog does it well enough for me for those in my collection).

Off on tangents:

I do want more subgenres, and as Chamber Prog was mentioned, that's one I've wanted for over a decade here, but as a sub or as a sub-sub category), but I would much rather have subgenres as tags that one could assign to albums (artists and albums cross genres). Having multiple classification tags that can be assigned on the album level would be useful for research and discovery to me. When searching for albums, I do find rateyourmusic a more valuable resource than PA (also helps that it isn't so musically limited). Anyway, I don't ever expect such changes now, although keeping bands in a limited number of subgenres while offering the ability for users to tag albums with different styles I still think might be a good approach. I wish I could easily see the complete list of sub-genres at rateyourmsic, but they have a tonne, and there are a huge many more than we have that could work for bands in the PA purview.

Instead of one small cage, I'd rather an animal in various cages -- I mean that sounds like I support dismemberment, but I mean that ideally there would be more descriptors, and it would be easy to search for albums that cross various styles. For instance, if I want to find a Psychedelic Folk meets Electronic music album in PA, it's not easy to find (as it works now, I wish Prog folk had some sub categories). RYM's search engine could be improved too as the custom filters don't seem to work that well for me when I want to include multiple sub-genres, but at least it's much easier to find progressive Psychedelic folk albums there than here. If we want a better site, then perhaps we should pool our skills and resources to make our own.

Quinino wrote: Well, he smashed the craptcha bug, didn't he ? (so he must keep some kind of intervention - at least of pest control)

I still get Captchas, and they are still irritating, and the providers of that are the ones who have worked out some of the bugs. That said, M@x had played with the settings for it for this site. Actually, I don't get hit with it when I use Opera, but on Safari and Chrome I get hit with it a lot (don't know why I still use Chrome at all).

Edited by Logan - June 18 2019 at 14:44

siLLy puPPy wrote: Jeffro wrote: "Brutal" prog?? Do you have to hit yourself over the head with a blunt object when you listen to it? What a silly sounding genre name.  Well not every genre can sound as elegant or descriptive as Krautrock or Canterbury Scene

^ or better  yet.... heavy panhead prog, chamber panhead prog, the Kobaian Scene and Zappa 

Avant already has a RIO and Zeuhl breakout, I'd just make it another sub-genre under Avant, personally I'd do Chamber Rock too but then I'm fine with sub-genres.