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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17362 |
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Totally agree on feeling v technical. A friend of mine is always trying to get me into Satriani. I acknowledge his skills, but I still glaze over fairly quickly with wave after wave of shred.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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TCat ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
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Agreed. I have that same problem with many of the guitar virtuoso artists, they start to sound the same. The real artists are the ones that can display their use of dynamics and variety.
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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In my younger days I would have emphatically say Clapton.
Now, I say Gilmour with equal enthusiasm. Neither is in my top 10, but I do see a clear separation at this point. Clapton was really awesome at what he did when he did it, but what he did wasn't particularly unique and really rather narrow in scope when compared to those I think of as truly special guitarists. And he has settled into making some really bland music for the last two decades at least. While not flashy, Gilmour is indeed special, unique, and uniquely expressive.
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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I wouldn't call either one any where near as versatile (as a guitarist that is, vocals aside) as Beck. Dude has at times in his career demonstrated mastery over a broad range of styles. Clapton tried to do jazz once and it was a disappointment to say the least.
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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I actually hear a lot of expressiveness in (some of) Satriani's playing. He's more than just a technical wizard. The problem with his music lies mostly in his refusal to employ a rhythm section that sounds anything other than generic background music for a car commercial. The drums and bass backing him are always hopelessly mundane. Without any vocals, the music does end up being rather uninteresting, regardless of whether he can play his guitar expressively or not.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18810 |
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Jeff Beck is a beast: the perfect storm of expression and virtuosity.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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![]() True...and I would take him and his body of work over either Clapton or Gilmour.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17362 |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18810 |
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One of my favorites is Guitar Shop. Doesn't seem to be liked as well as some of this others. How can one not like a trio of Beck, Tony Hymas (keys) and the one & only Terry Bozzio on drums?!
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^ When Guitar Shop came out it was a very interesting issue from him, a lot of imagination and actual guitar playing. Certainly a creative redemption after the radio-oriented Flash. Saw him on tour for it and it was very clean and well-produced. |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18810 |
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That was the soundtrack for when you wanted to pretend you were part of the cast on Miami Vice!
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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dwill123 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 19 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4460 |
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Gilmour has grown and gotten better as a guitarist. Beck has turned into a noodler. I don't find him that interesting any more.
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TCat ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
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No doubt that Beck is a virtuoso, and, as I have said, I have enjoyed some of his albums, but he just never really stuck with me as consistently as Gilmour or Clapton. I would say that I even like some of Robin Trower's earlier albums and find them more memorable than Beck's, but, again, that is just my own taste. I definitely won't say anyone is better than another except from my own point of view. Beck, Satriani, Vai, Malmsteen ... I tend to classify them together, I've heard them all, and they all sound great at first, they are all guitar aficionados, but I just can't stay interested in them long enough to get through an album. At least with Beck I can say that I have enjoyed a few of his albums.
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TenYearsAfter ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 01 2018 Location: Aruba Status: Offline Points: 345 |
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Lots of sidesteps during this Clapton/Gilmour topic, how about Carlos Santana versus Gilmour? For me Santana is one of the most overlooked guitarists within the world of prog, with his innovative Latin prog sound, his distinctive sustain, and lots of monumental soli, like Gilmour, and both are blues oriented, preferring emotion above scale acrobtics.
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With all the jamming focus Floyd had in their pre-Dark Side years, I would say the band (Gilmour included) were actually very good improvising. I would actually say I enjoy more the results that came out of Pink Floyd than those of King Crimson themselves in that respect. |
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Clapton is indeed a very good improviser.... within the confines the standard pentatonic blues scale. But that is hardly varied. As masterful as he is within those bounds, I can't see him as being more varied than any of the other guitarists discussed on this thread.
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They were excellent improvisors, even post-DarkSide if you listen to tapes from the WYWH tour. In fact the material was largely born of improvisation, either as a group or individually. |
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I feel the same way about Trevor Rabin. Surprisingly capable of expression, and, I believe, a Beck fan also. But when in doubt, he shreds. Or used to anyway! |
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TCat ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
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While it is true most of Clapton's music is based on the blues scale and messing around with the standard 12 bar pattern, he has often delved into other areas like country, folk, reggae, jazz, rock, pop, and all of that, not always to the best of results, but he still tries. There were even times when he could be quite passionate. Take, for example, his amazing guitar work (and vocals) on "River of Tears. Yes it's blues, but its also quite heart wrenching. And it is also true that Gilmour could be quite varied at times. But overall, I still stand by what I said comparing the two. Their strengths make them the amazing musicians that they are.
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