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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

You said you first got into prog a few years ago but based on your list it looks like you are really a fan from the old days. Anyway, I couldn't help notice that there really isn't anyting on your list from after the 70's so here are a few post seventies bands to try out:

Marillion 
Porcupine Tree -start with the mid to late 90's albums if you like early Pink Floyd
The Flower Kings
Spock's Beard
Transatlantic
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Big Big Train -popular recent band
IQ

Also, if you like PFM give Banco a try. They are an older Italian band from the 70's who are back with a new album.

Also, you didn't mention Kansas. Much more to them than their few radio hits. I suggest "leftoverture" and their other 70's albums. Very prog. You will be surprised if you only know them for their classic rock staples.

I'm definitely not a fan from the old days, since I wasn't alive then, haha.

Marillion - Ah, yeah, I don't really like them a lot. Have tried listening a couple times before, since I know how highly they are regarded. There are parts of their tracks that I like, but overall not really getting them. I don't like the guitar, at least on what I've heard.

Porcupine Tree - I can tolerate their softer sounding stuff, but I can't really say I like it. I don't like the vocals or any of the heavier guitar playing. Haha, sorry, I did warn that I'm not usually keen on the newer sounds. (I'm not actually a big fan of Pink Floyd either, but don't tell anybody!)

The Flower Kings - Already recommended, not really for me, thanks though. Actually, I'm just gonna apply this statement to the rest of the more modern suggestions, haha, sorry!

Banco - Oh yeah, I know them for sure! I have mixed feelings since I like "Cento mani e cento occhi" and "La conquista della posizione eretta" (though they are a bit on the creepy-sounding side), but haven't liked other tracks of theirs that I have heard. I also usually really like more ballad-type tracks, but I haven't enjoyed their vocals for those, at least that I have heard. Do you have any favorite tracks to recommend?

Kansas - Thanks for mentioning them. I had heard somebody say this before and heard one track that surprised me, but had really mostly forgotten about that. Will enjoy exploring since seems like there's some fun stuff!

I appreciate you trying to broaden my range, but some of the newer stuff I just don't think is my style. Many thanks for all the suggestions though! Definitely got a couple of good avenues to explore out of them.
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Try Harmonium's "Les Cinq Saisons" - I had not been exposed to that one until someone mentioned it to me on this forum.  Been listening to weird and obscure prog & so on for decades, and had heard of the band, but never heard the music until 2 or 3 years ago, when I bought the CD.

Brilliant album.
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Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Everybody here knows I'm going to recommend something by David Sancious.
 
(Matter of Time from True Stories vid)

Ooh, strong vocals. It had a bit too much of a smooth vibe for me initially, but it's already growing on me. Not so much into some of the extended instrumental jams, but some bits are really cool too. First track on the album is also fun.

The album was sounding a bit smooth, so I thought I'd check out his earlier stuff. Suite Cassandra is great. Listening to that first album for a bit though, it does miss the vocals. Good to have both options!

Interesting he was in the E Street Band - I can't stand Springsteen.

Nice suggestion, thanks! Has a great upbeat vibe that I think would definitely hit the spot when in that mood.

Edit: Yeah, Suite Cassandra is awesome. Just edited to say it twice, haha.


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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

OK, I think Renaissance might work for you (Ashes are Burning, Turn of the Cards, and Scheherazade... or the live Carnegie Hall). Marillion, specially the first four with Fish. Transatlantic, specially The Whirlwind. Big Big Train, specially English Electric.

Forgot to mention Renaissance! I really like Scheherazade and some other tracks. I find them a touch boring somehow, but I also like them - don't know how much that makes sense, haha.

Haven't been able to get into Marillion, I don't know... maybe that'll change, but I don't really get the appeal yet.

The other bands are not really my style. People keep mentioning them, so I'm sure I'll try another time.

Thanks for the suggestions!
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Originally posted by AKDiamond AKDiamond wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

You said you first got into prog a few years ago but based on your list it looks like you are really a fan from the old days. Anyway, I couldn't help notice that there really isn't anyting on your list from after the 70's so here are a few post seventies bands to try out:

Marillion 
Porcupine Tree -start with the mid to late 90's albums if you like early Pink Floyd
The Flower Kings
Spock's Beard
Transatlantic
Echolyn 
Big Big Train -popular recent band
IQ

Also, if you like PFM give Banco a try. They are an older Italian band from the 70's who are back with a new album.

Also, you didn't mention Kansas. Much more to them than their few radio hits. I suggest "leftoverture" and their other 70's albums. Very prog. You will be surprised if you only know them for their classic rock staples.

I'm definitely not a fan from the old days, since I wasn't alive then, haha.

Marillion - Ah, yeah, I don't really like them a lot. Have tried listening a couple times before, since I know how highly they are regarded. There are parts of their tracks that I like, but overall not really getting them. I don't like the guitar, at least on what I've heard.

Porcupine Tree - I can tolerate their softer sounding stuff, but I can't really say I like it. I don't like the vocals or any of the heavier guitar playing. Haha, sorry, I did warn that I'm not usually keen on the newer sounds. (I'm not actually a big fan of Pink Floyd either, but don't tell anybody!)

The Flower Kings - Already recommended, not really for me, thanks though. Actually, I'm just gonna apply this statement to the rest of the more modern suggestions, haha, sorry!

Banco - Oh yeah, I know them for sure! I have mixed feelings since I like "Cento mani e cento occhi" and "La conquista della posizione eretta" (though they are a bit on the creepy-sounding side), but haven't liked other tracks of theirs that I have heard. I also usually really like more ballad-type tracks, but I haven't enjoyed their vocals for those, at least that I have heard. Do you have any favorite tracks to recommend?

Kansas - Thanks for mentioning them. I had heard somebody say this before and heard one track that surprised me, but had really mostly forgotten about that. Will enjoy exploring since seems like there's some fun stuff!

I appreciate you trying to broaden my range, but some of the newer stuff I just don't think is my style. Many thanks for all the suggestions though! Definitely got a couple of good avenues to explore out of them.

Well, thanks for responding to my post at least. I guess I figured since you don't like newer stuff much(and some older fans seem to feel that way)I figured you were into this stuff in the "old days." Typically, imo, those who are younger(say under 25) are more into the newer stuff because they are more exposed to it.Other than the most obvious older bands they don't know about some of the ones you mentioned(that has been my observation). Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. I myself am sort of in the middle but leaning older(a lot older. lol). I first got into prog in the 80's but there wasn't much newer prog at the time that was contemporary so naturally I found out about the big bands first.

Here's my suggestion. Besides this thread also go through this website and try to find bands you might be into. So if most of the stuff you like is symphonic prog use that as a filter and the same thing with the years. You can filter for when it was released and also what country etc. You do that by going to where it says "top albums" on the main page. Threads like this can certainly be helpful but this site's "archives"(hence the name)can really open you up to a lot of stuff. Of course there's also youtube to help you out. This site used to have song samples on it(actually whole songs but not whole albums)but for some reason they have all be deleted(I guess that was a few years ago now).


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Since you wrote "I don't like prog metal nor neo prog, or most modern music, sorry! I'm not into too heavy nor too polished" I think that various recommendations here won't do it for you.

Here's one to try:

(Earth & Fire - Song of the Marching Child vid)

Eventually you're going to have to try Magma (if you haven't already). ;) But right now that might be throwing you off the deep end.

Nail on the head with E&F! Great track - I had to listen to the whole album after that, and was not at all unhappy about it. What a great range of material on this album, and a great singer.

Nail on the head about Magma too, haha. Yes, I have given them a try or two. Yes, definitely the deep end! Some interesting sounds, but why they chose to put them together in that particular manner is beyond me. ;) I'd ask if they have a "most accessible" track, but that'd probably be missing the point entirely.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Well, thanks for responding to my post at least. I guess I figured since you don't like newer stuff much(and some older fans seem to feel that way)I figured you were into this stuff in the "old days." Typically, imo, those who are younger(say under 25) are more into the newer stuff because they are more exposed to it.Other than the most obvious older bands they don't know about some of the ones you mentioned(that has been my observation). Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. I myself am sort of in the middle but leaning older(a lot older. lol). I first got into prog in the 80's but there wasn't much newer prog at the time that was contemporary so naturally I found out about the big bands first.

Here's my suggestion. Besides this thread also go through this website and try to find bands you might be into. So if most of the stuff you like is symphonic prog use that as a filter and the same thing with the years. You can filter for when it was released and also what country etc. You do that by going to where it says "top albums" on the main page. Threads like this can certainly be helpful but this site's "archives"(hence the name)can really open you up to a lot of stuff. Of course there's also youtube to help you out. This site used to have song samples on it(actually whole songs but not whole albums)but for some reason they have all be deleted(I guess that was a few years ago now).

Makes sense! Yep, I'm basically an exception I guess, though not quite that young. 

Appreciate the suggestion! I have taken a look at the overall top albums, but haven't taken advantage of the filters at all.
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Originally posted by AKDiamond AKDiamond wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Well, thanks for responding to my post at least. I guess I figured since you don't like newer stuff much(and some older fans seem to feel that way)I figured you were into this stuff in the "old days." Typically, imo, those who are younger(say under 25) are more into the newer stuff because they are more exposed to it.Other than the most obvious older bands they don't know about some of the ones you mentioned(that has been my observation). Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. I myself am sort of in the middle but leaning older(a lot older. lol). I first got into prog in the 80's but there wasn't much newer prog at the time that was contemporary so naturally I found out about the big bands first.

Here's my suggestion. Besides this thread also go through this website and try to find bands you might be into. So if most of the stuff you like is symphonic prog use that as a filter and the same thing with the years. You can filter for when it was released and also what country etc. You do that by going to where it says "top albums" on the main page. Threads like this can certainly be helpful but this site's "archives"(hence the name)can really open you up to a lot of stuff. Of course there's also youtube to help you out. This site used to have song samples on it(actually whole songs but not whole albums)but for some reason they have all be deleted(I guess that was a few years ago now).

Makes sense! Yep, I'm basically an exception I guess, though not quite that young. 

Appreciate the suggestion! I have taken a look at the overall top albums, but haven't taken advantage of the filters at all.

35? Come on you can say we are all friends here. :)
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Are you familiar with Discipline?  They are an American band with influence from VDGG.




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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:


I tried, I listened to the whole album, but I can't get Eno really. I had St. Elmo's Fire in my library already (had come across it because of the Fripp connection), but I only added The Big Ship apart from that. I don't know, something rubs me the wrong way, though you do have to respect the amount of creative work he clearly puts in. 

Thanks for the suggestion!

P.S. Do you like Gavin Bryars' "The Sinking of the Titanic"? "The Big Ship" brought it to mind. (Whoa, I just found out that it was the first release on Eno's Obscure Records label, and was released in the same year as Another Green World!)
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

35? Come on you can say we are all friends here. :)

Was just following your lead, since you dodged giving a number too. ;)

32 here, but yes, I have the musical taste of a geriatric (albeit a cool one?). LOL
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I recommend the latest album by one of my favorite bands: "Fathomless" by The Red Masque. here a link to their homepage:



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Originally posted by AKDiamond AKDiamond wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

35? Come on you can say we are all friends here. :)

Was just following your lead, since you dodged giving a number too. ;)

32 here, but yes, I have the musical taste of a geriatric (albeit a cool one?). LOL

Oh ok. Well, no I said I got into this stuff in the eighties which I guess wouldn't guarantee I was a teen but I was. I'm now 49 and still younger than at least half the people who show up at prog shows. LOL


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Originally posted by AKDiamond AKDiamond wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

35? Come on you can say we are all friends here. :)

Was just following your lead, since you dodged giving a number too. ;)

32 here, but yes, I have the musical taste of a geriatric (albeit a cool one?). LOL

Oh ok. Well, no I said I got into this stuff in the eighties which I guess wouldn't guarantee I was a teen but I was. I'm now 49 and still younger than at least half the people who show up at prog shows. LOL

well, you are about my age. I am 50 now, as is Friede (she is 53 days younger than me)


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If you like 80s music, you might like Asia (Before Astra) and Saga (Worlds Apart). Or check out homebrewed prog (production not the greatest) from 2 guys in Aquacadia trying to recapture late 70s and early 80s sounds. Other bands that were prog or related to prog from back then were The Police, King Crimson when Adrian Belew was with them, Styx, Rush (Signals through Power Windows era), and Yes (the Trevor Rabin era like 90125). Rabin's solo album I Can't Look Away was also great. I like both Steve Howe and Trevor Rabin. Also, the Australian band Sky with John Williams on classical guitar was phenomenal. As was Kate Bush (The Hounds of Love). Just a few of my faves from that time. (I like Yaz and Gary Numan, too, but don't tell anyone here ... and Michael Hedges, too).
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Cool. Not many of us were into prog at the time. I somehow found out about it. Some might say they had to suffer through it and bands like Marillion and it's true there wasn't much contemporary stuff. However, it was fun to discover the older bands even though the scene was rather underground at the time. 
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

If you like 80s music, you might like Asia (Before Astra) and Saga (Worlds Apart). Or check out homebrewed prog (production not the greatest) from 2 guys in Aquacadia trying to recapture late 70s and early 80s sounds. Other bands that were prog or related to prog from back then were The Police, King Crimson when Adrian Belew was with them, Styx, Rush (Signals through Power Windows era), and Yes (the Trevor Rabin era like 90125). Rabin's solo album I Can't Look Away was also great. I like both Steve Howe and Trevor Rabin. Also, the Australian band Sky with John Williams on classical guitar was phenomenal. As was Kate Bush (The Hounds of Love). Just a few of my faves from that time. (I like Yaz and Gary Numan, too, but don't tell anyone here ... and Michael Hedges, too).

You summed up the eighties pretty well. A few other bands were Zebra, Planet P and Art in America. Also, Kate Bush was at least proggish. Also, I remember riding my bike to buy "three of a perfect pair" on cassette tape. It was about two years old at the time. I was so disappointed when I finally played it. I remember thinking "I rode my bike two miles just for this?" LOL It later grew on me. I'm a big fan of that Rabin solo album too.
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

If you like 80s music, you might like Asia (Before Astra) and Saga (Worlds Apart). Or check out homebrewed prog (production not the greatest) from 2 guys in Aquacadia trying to recapture late 70s and early 80s sounds. Other bands that were prog or related to prog from back then were The Police, King Crimson when Adrian Belew was with them, Styx, Rush (Signals through Power Windows era), and Yes (the Trevor Rabin era like 90125). Rabin's solo album I Can't Look Away was also great. I like both Steve Howe and Trevor Rabin. Also, the Australian band Sky with John Williams on classical guitar was phenomenal. As was Kate Bush (The Hounds of Love). Just a few of my faves from that time. (I like Yaz and Gary Numan, too, but don't tell anyone here ... and Michael Hedges, too).

but do you know what band The Police originally came from?


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Stewart Copeland was in Curved Air, yes? I think Andy Summers was in a jazz band. That's probably why his chords were so interesting

I saw SC perform percussion one time to a ballet performance called Prey. He is amazing! I like some of AS's music with Robert Fripp, too.
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Stewart Copeland was in Curved Air, yes? I think Andy Summers was in a jazz band. That's probably why his chords were so interesting

I saw SC perform percussion one time to a ballet performance called Prey. He is amazing! I like some of AS's music with Robert Fripp, too.

Copeland certainly was with Curved Air, but that's not what I am talking about. The Police have a connection to one of my absolute favorite prog bands. all members of the Police played in a band that had one more musician in them. Sting played rhythm guitar in that band, not bass; the bass player was from that favorite band I mentioned. that 4-member band never made an album, only a single. but they played at a festival that was exclusively about that favorite band of mine in several incarnations and of its various spinoffs. so the Police came from one of these spinoff bands. now guess that favorite band of mine and the name of the spinoff band


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