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thanks!
very savvy move to get McCarty in for some shows, but also great for the fans, almost all of whom probably like the McCarty led version of Illusion, or would if they heard them
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Two things

1)  I met Annie briefly at Strawbs' 50th.  Apparently Jim McCarty will be performing with the group in the Autumn tour!  I must say they are doing a great job of keeping things fresh considering there has been no new original material for some time.  It would be great to hear him on some of the eraly songs and maybe even a few Illusion songs
2)  I did a review of the Strawbs' weekend.  The big surprise re Annie was the performance of "Reaching out", the Intergalactic Touring Band album, with orchestra


Wonderful review.  And nice you not only met her but got that scoop.  I don't think they have announced McCarty returning to the fold yet. However, NOW, this is gonna cause more fans to ask for Camp and Sullivan to be called back.  Who knows, maybe she IS planning a reunion show before signing off or something like that.
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Two things

1)  I met Annie briefly at Strawbs' 50th.  Apparently Jim McCarty will be performing with the group in the Autumn tour!  I must say they are doing a great job of keeping things fresh considering there has been no new original material for some time.  It would be great to hear him on some of the eraly songs and maybe even a few Illusion songs
2)  I did a review of the Strawbs' weekend.  The big surprise re Annie was the performance of "Reaching out", the Intergalactic Touring Band album, with orchestra



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^ Thanks for posting - always great to watch interviews with GH - up there with the best.
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Gavin talks about how he got to play with Renaissance in the first couple of minutes here:



He brings out the importance of preparation.  He says he got the audition because he had practiced the songs they had asked him to learn for a week and he turned out to be the only drummer who could play those songs. 

While I thought he was pretty stiff at least in the Park West show vis a vis Barron's footloose drumming on the Camera Camera tour shows, he acquitted himself very well for somebody of his age (just 19) on his first tour to America. And it may well be too that he would have been able to play stuff like Scheherazade the way it was in the original but the band wanted that 80s sound to go with their New Wave style of the 80s.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ I just looked - I have a Park West performance with GH on drums.

Yeah, that's the tour he was in.
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^ I just looked - I have a Park West performance with GH on drums.
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Is that with a young Gavin Harrison on the drums ??


Robert Barron.
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Is that with a young Gavin Harrison on the drums ??
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I found another show at Palladium, 1982 which has hands down the best version of Day of the Dreamer. Every inflection Annie introduced in the slow verse (that wasn't there in the studio cut) was beautiful and enhanced the emotion of the song. She made it sound as intimate as a performance at a small pub with the fans gathered at the front as opposed to one at a 1000 seater venue, which it really was.
 

Is it on YT? Hollywood Palladium?


Sadly isn't.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I found another show at Palladium, 1982 which has hands down the best version of Day of the Dreamer. Every inflection Annie introduced in the slow verse (that wasn't there in the studio cut) was beautiful and enhanced the emotion of the song. She made it sound as intimate as a performance at a small pub with the fans gathered at the front as opposed to one at a 1000 seater venue, which it really was.
 

Is it on YT? Hollywood Palladium?
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

 A good example of how a bad (should I say lousy) recording can absolutely wreck perception of a performance.



I found this same performance elsewhere in good quality audio.  This - and pretty much the entire concert - has Annie and the band pulling out all stops but if you listen to the vid above, you would hear a trainwreck.  Somebody's even left a comment asking if anything's in tune.  Turns out nothing's wrong with the performance, but everything possible with the recording.  Guess Peter Barron was the drummer here, and he did some wonderful work throughout the show, very lively.


does the other version of the same performance omit the very powerful last few minutes as well?

It's the full song and right where this video ends, the audience keeps clapping mid song, probably overwhelmed by the intensity of Annie's singing. She really gets the intensity right in this one, which I don't think even the studio cut quite had. The encore is yet another incredible rendition of Ashes are burning. Heck, I really dislike Fairies and I enjoyed the performance of that song in this show because the band performed it with so much gusto. Must have been so demoralizing for them to play the heck out off the songs on the stage and still find themselves sinking commercially. On a more positive tone, I wish the concert would be officially released. It's one of their best shows, no kidding. Has Camera Camera the song (with Annie's looong sustained notes provoking audible gasps from the crowd) and she even nails the screams of Jigsaw, later giggling and admitting that this one does tire her out a bit. You wouldn't notice any tiredness from the audio!


it coincides approximately with the time I saw them in 1982, and it was a superb show that had me and my Annie stricken dorm mates in awe for days, especially Ashes are Burning!

They performed the heck out of Ashes in the 80s no doubt. I found another show at Palladium, 1982 which has hands down the best version of Day of the Dreamer. Every inflection Annie introduced in the slow verse (that wasn't there in the studio cut) was beautiful and enhanced the emotion of the song. She made it sound as intimate as a performance at a small pub with the fans gathered at the front as opposed to one at a 1000 seater venue, which it really was.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

 A good example of how a bad (should I say lousy) recording can absolutely wreck perception of a performance.



I found this same performance elsewhere in good quality audio.  This - and pretty much the entire concert - has Annie and the band pulling out all stops but if you listen to the vid above, you would hear a trainwreck.  Somebody's even left a comment asking if anything's in tune.  Turns out nothing's wrong with the performance, but everything possible with the recording.  Guess Peter Barron was the drummer here, and he did some wonderful work throughout the show, very lively.


does the other version of the same performance omit the very powerful last few minutes as well?

It's the full song and right where this video ends, the audience keeps clapping mid song, probably overwhelmed by the intensity of Annie's singing. She really gets the intensity right in this one, which I don't think even the studio cut quite had. The encore is yet another incredible rendition of Ashes are burning. Heck, I really dislike Fairies and I enjoyed the performance of that song in this show because the band performed it with so much gusto. Must have been so demoralizing for them to play the heck out off the songs on the stage and still find themselves sinking commercially. On a more positive tone, I wish the concert would be officially released. It's one of their best shows, no kidding. Has Camera Camera the song (with Annie's looong sustained notes provoking audible gasps from the crowd) and she even nails the screams of Jigsaw, later giggling and admitting that this one does tire her out a bit. You wouldn't notice any tiredness from the audio!

it coincides approximately with the time I saw them in 1982, and it was a superb show that had me and my Annie stricken dorm mates in awe for days, especially Ashes are Burning!
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Rare guest appearance in this thread... I love Camera Camera to pieces and a performance of Tyrant-Tula certainly would excite me (has anyone here seen that one played live?) - still my number one would probably be Running Hard.

Haven't seen it but have heard two live performances of it where Annie adds an extra vocal hi-jinx.

when I saw them in Ottawa on the Camera Camera tour, Tyrant Tula had been getting a load of radio airplay so in my imagination they played it live, but set lists from that period don't corroborate with my distant memory


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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Well, Ren is ALSO celebrating 50 years from the first album (apart from Strawbs) and they have asked what songs would you like to hear live.  In the spirit of that question, what's the one track - apart from the staples - you would really like to hear performed.

sorry been away from the thread a bit.  For me definitely "On the Frontier" comes to mind first.
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So we finally have Renaissance react videos in keeping with the current trend.  Some gent with a strange youtube id has done interesting analysis of Black Flame and Golden Key.  Though his lyrical takeaway from Black Flame is not only weird but way off too. Thatcher herself said the lyrics were about the Vietnam war though in a kind of Crime and Punishment light and not a straightforward critique of the war itself.  Her lyrics were rarely straightforward but I digress.





Interesting point he makes about the re-capitulation of the intro at the end of each chorus in Golden Key.  Also agree that Tout was better on piano than on synth.  He also says he prefers Gosling on synth.  I would go all the way and say Gosling was a better keyboardist, period, a 'real' prog keyboardist who could improvise on the spot but it's not very evident perhaps from the Camera Camera album (a better illustration is comparing how he plays that short piano passage just after the interlude and before Annie resumes vocals on Day of the Dreamer vis a vis how Tout used to play it).  Barron was also a real rocking drummer though he could be found wanting in Sullivan's gentle touch in those moments when it was most needed.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Rare guest appearance in this thread... I love Camera Camera to pieces and a performance of Tyrant-Tula certainly would excite me (has anyone here seen that one played live?) - still my number one would probably be Running Hard.

Haven't seen it but have heard two live performances of it where Annie adds an extra vocal hi-jinx.
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Rare guest appearance in this thread... I love Camera Camera to pieces and a performance of Tyrant-Tula certainly would excite me (has anyone here seen that one played live?) - still my number one would probably be Running Hard.
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Okichi-San. I love Camera Camera, just an all round great early-80’s Prog-Pop album.
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Well, Ren is ALSO celebrating 50 years from the first album (apart from Strawbs) and they have asked what songs would you like to hear live.  In the spirit of that question, what's the one track - apart from the staples - you would really like to hear performed.
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