Brexit: A change of heart??

I mean not everything he says is wrong. He's certainly on to something when he talks about a British oligarchy who want to take the UK out of the EU to increase their own wealth and power.

Rupert Murdoch used to control the British press and had the UK government eating out of his hand. He said that when he goes to see UK government ministers they all take notice of him, but he goes to see the EU and they don't listen to him.

People like Murdoch want the UK out of the EU so they can regain control over British policy.

The Dark Elf wrote: As an American, it seems to me that Brexit was caused by the same nationalist tendencies that our idiot president, the Mango Mussolini, is railing on about, all part of a surge of alt-right partisanship across Europe and the U.S. To stay or leave the EU seems a no-win situation in either case. On the one hand, I can understand the desire for self-determination, unfettered by what may be construed as foreign interference; on the other, as I said, I am not sure the reason for leaving is altogether healthy, what with the scepter of fascism shadowing much of Europe. I have no solution. I wish you luck.

Self determination is only a good thing, if those doing the 'determining' are making good decisions , in the interests of the country. If they're not, then relinquisihing control is perfectly acceptable IMO..

Of course I over generalise here. What does acting in the best in iterests of the country actually mean? That depends on where you are politically.

In any case, there is this broad misunderstanding of exactly how much control the EU has over the passing of laws in this country. The leave campaign - or elements within it - claimed that over 75% of our laws are passed in Brussels. This turned out, not surprisingly to be bollox. The proportion of laws passed abroad changes depending on who you ask of course, and also how one defines 'laws' Are we talking regulations, guidelines or actual laws, punishiable in a court of law if broken?

Do you think Trump will be sympathetic to British refugees? Maybe only the white ones? Maybe Canada will take our dark skinned refugees.

What a f***ing mess.

Chaser wrote: ... People like Murdoch want the UK out of the EU so they can regain control over British policy.

Better the Devil you know. All I can see is total chaos at the moment.

This can is going to get kicked further down the road.  That's obvious now.  No-one can agree what we should do and May's disastrous "deal" is certain to be rejected by Parliament (as it should be)

Blacksword wrote: "Johnny Foreigner" out was sadly at the core of the Leave mentality, above all else. A least that's how it seemed to me. It was all about control of borders, and kicking people out so thee would be more 'British jobs for British people' etc etc..

Davesax1965 wrote: I honestly think that I couldn't give a bu88er about Brexit any more. I'm very tired of hearing about it, to be honest. It's a giant cock up, no matter which way it ends, it'll be an absolute embarrassing disaster. Wake me up when it's over, if it ever is.

Oddly enough, the views heard among Swedes on Brexit are almost 50/50 but in reverse to the result of UK vote, viewed as it is from the perspective of Sweden's EU membership. Calls for Swexit are growing all the time. But polls here show that a referendum on Swexit would give about a 60% win to remain. The strange thing in Sweden is that the most support for a Swexit doesn't come from Socialdemokraterna (Social Democrats - Labour) or Moderaterna (Moderates - Conservative) but from the two main extreme parties the far right Sverigedemokraterna (Swedish Democrats - UKIP ) and Vänster (Communist)   

In the UK a referendum is an advisory instrument not a legal one, so Cameron was under no obligation to act on the result.  

Edited by LAM-SGC - December 28 2018 at 14:45